Is Pernell Whitaker the most complete Southpaw ever?

A lot of scorers forget the difference in between aggression and effective aggression....

 

And lots of people forget that hitting your opponent three times out of ten punches thrown will score you more than hitting your opponent one time out of one punch thrown.

 

Maybe so. But today, 15 out of 60 is better than 20 out of 40.

Where the 20 are clean and effective, and the 15 are amongst a whole bunch of nothing punches.

That's wrong, imo.

EDIT: Even 20 out of 40 (where most are clean and effective) should be better than 20 out of 60 (where the 20 aren't so clean and effective)

 

If you can keep the pace up then that would be effective aggression...not just aggression?

 

It seems rather effective aggression, when you can land 3 times the punches, than the opposition. Isn't that pretty obvious?

 

Thats what I said.....:huh

 

I put sweet pea as the most complete southpaw ever. the guy had comse of the best reflexes i have ever seen. Also, he beat everyone they put in front of him in his prime. And I am talking about elite fighters here. Azumah nelson, buddy mcgirt, and lets not forget he BEAT Chavez when he was 88 - 0 and at that point chavez was making a run similar to greatness of sugar ray robinson (which he failed of course). And please do not bring up it was a draw - no ****ing way and dont disgrace yourself (or pea) by saying otherwise. His greatness will be revealed more and more as time goes by he was something special.

 

No, Sweet Pea is not the most complete Southpaw. Complete would encompass not only defense, but offense as well. I question Sweet Pea's power and offensive effectiveness.

 

Then I just agreed with the obvious.

 

:good

 

Besides, it's not like Whitaker always backed up. He had his share of fights where he traded in the pocket, or liked to push guys into the ropes using his shoulder as leverage, and then wing hooks to the body and also a left uppercut to either the body or head.

And it's not like Hagler never fought on the backfoot or circled either. Hell, for the great majority of his career he boxed and used lateral movement.

 

Power I can understand, but you simply don't understand or know enough about him if you think his offense in general was not effective. That is absurd. He had likely the best jab in LW history, was one of the most effective and accurate counter-punchers, and had underrated power anyway, as he proved when he sat down on his punches as he did against Nazario and Lomeli.

His offense was very effective, just not brutal. You can't win fights on defense, what don't people get about that? Just as good and varied an offense as your personal GOAT, Floyd Mayweather.