Is Roberto Duran a top-10 All Time Great?

These lists are damn difficult, but I can't see how it would be wrong to have in the top 10. One of the best, perhaps the, best LWs ever with two epic wins and several very creditable ones above that weight. Looks great on film as well.

You can't ask for much more than that.

 

Might have something to do with the word that Charles wasn't particularly heralded even in his own time, something Burt has claimed probably a countless number of times on here, rarely ceasing to mention it, or that Ken Overlin - the "poor man's Greb" - outclassed him.

:yep

 

When you've been around here long enough you see that this forum works in a zodiac cycle. When i first joined here it was the year of Duran. With many and more people championing him and willingly accepting his excuse of needing a poo, amongst other warped and convenient excuses.

Its no longer the year of Duran and hasnt been for sometime, so i can stop pretending i dont consider him a top 10 ATG.

Who is beating him at LW? - Nobody

Who is beating Ray Leonard at WW? Maybe only Robinson - But Duran did

Which 30+ career LW is taking Hagler the distance and actually winning rounds? Or stepping in the ring with him in the 1st place? - Nobody, but Duran did

 

And these days they say Walter Johnson threw as hard as Randy Johnson.

Pedro > Koufax.

For he's the GOAT.

 

:happy :deal

 

Koufax isn't even the best lefty out there. And Maddux> Pedro if only because the greatest pitcher of all time shouldn't bear such a striking resemblance to a fat Britney Spears.

 

As far as peak is concerned, he certainly is. And really, that's all that matters.

Peak Pedro is Untouchable, Montreal Duran is Untouchable, etc.

It's just the way things are. :deal

 

If peak Pedro could pitch more than 6 innings a shot...

 

He averaged closer to 8 than 6, actually. Stamina wasn't ever an issue until he tore his shoulder in 2001.

 

Of course. I just forgot seeing as how he pitched so few innings. I mean, Pedros best season is no better than Dwight Goodens best season.

 

:deal

 

This is equivalent to not considering level of opposition in boxing and going strictly by W-L ratio, only more multifaceted.

 

Had I compared him to Carl Hubbell or Pete Alexander than quality of opposition might be an issue. But the mid 80's are barely over a decade away so the difference is not that great. Plus there's a theory that Pedros fantastic numbers are both a result of his low innings pitched and separation due to a high offensive environment.

 

Meh, he hurdled beyond the qualifier by leaps and bounds. His IP per start was amongst the best in the league, though his lack of starts in total hurts him. Maybe if he was pumping the Test and HGH everyone else was, his diminutive body wouldn't break down as often and he'd see faster recovery. It's his dominance of the (extremely) high offensive environment that makes his seasons unique. Nobody ever dominated a league so significantly as compared their contemporaries. The fact that he set records in terms of raw numbers is nothing short of astonishing.