is Roberto Duran overrated??

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I rate him as the 6th best P4P ATG fighter. According to an earlier post, i underrate him, so yes he is overrated.

H2H he is right up there with the very elite, select few, crop of fighters at both Lightweight and Welterweight. BUT he is not up there at Middleweight (apparently this is me underrating him)

He was a very well rounded fighter. BUT he does not deserve a mention as the greatest of every single physical, technical and tactical attribute a fighter can have.(underrating him again)

Yes, he has very good defense skills...casual fans know him as just a brawler...you're very cool and hip for knowing otherwise...but no, he is not the greatest defensive fighter of all time, or anywhere close to being it(underrating him again).

His greatness is not indispute, he is definatley not overrated as being one of the greatest. Its just that he has perhaps the most fanatical fanbase of any fighter in history, and its a very large and very loyal fanbase. For every one of his numerous losses there are accepted, ridiculous excuses that no other fighter benefits from. This wouldnt be a problem, as most of the greats have fanatics who pick them to beat the **** out of anyone in history. But Duran has a very many of these fanatics and that is the problem, who think him unbeatable at LW through to MW. And if he did lose, then there was a valid reason to why he lost (ie. needing a poo)

 

good post

did it take you three attempts to write it though?

Scouse

 

I'd say he's both under-rated and over-rated, and his over-ratedness and under-ratedness are also over-rated and under-rated, over-rated and under-rated respectively. Great at lightweight but also not great, and not so great at 147 but in another sense better at that weight, he certainly wasn't as good at higher weights, though one could just as easily argue to the contrary. An ATG, without a doubt, though there may indeed be some doubt.

 

Very good post.

 

DeJesus, Leonard, Cuevas, Palamino, & Barkley were victims.

Competitive with Hagler.

Many of the old-timers rated him #1 or #1A at Lightweight in his prime.

 

nah i just posted the same **** 3 times by accident

 

Huh?

 

he needed a poo

 

Blasphemer & Heretic:beat

 

In the context of ESB? Yes and no. The Classic forum as a whole tend to overrate Roberto Duran, whereas The General is at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Posters in the General don't really have a clue as to why beating Barkley was a great achievement, for example. "Err...Barkley was average. Toney whipped him". They don't take into account that Duran was old and that Barkley was a massive Middleweight with notable power. Likewise, Buchanan was just an okay fighter, and "who the **** were Ernesto Marcel and Esteban De Jesus?"

The Classic Forum will continually make excuses for Duran's losses though, and these excuses apparently have credibility.

 

i'll be the first to say it: i WANT duran to be great. and he was but i always make excuses for his losses cause i love him so damn much. we all have a soft spot for poo-ran it seems

 

I excuse some his losses (if you want to call it that) because I don't see things in black and white, as so many on this forum seem to, even some of the top posters.