Is Roberto Duran the greatest boxer since Sugar Ray Robinson?

Cheers I couldn't remember the timeline off the top of my head.

In that case i'd say only ali is above.

Just to add a contrast to flea, here is my latest top 20 from top of my head

Fitz
Langford
Robinson
Armstrong
Greb
Louis
Charles
Pep
Ali
Duran

Gans
B leonard
R leonard
Pea
Ross
Walker
Burley
Moore
Canzoneri
Mclarnin


@flea, i'm not saying he isn't great at all, I have him top 20 as i'm sure everyone does. I'm saying i've not seen him knocking on the door of the top ten before.

My list changed considerably since I shown it to someone who was like you but not you :good but I think my top ten is the same as it was.

 

McLarnin was a weight jumper himself, although remembered mainly for his Welterweight exploits. I don't think it really matters that his 'best wins were lightweights', Ross was a brilliant Welterweight as well. McLarnin was a pup when fighting Villa (tooth infection as we know, but according to reports still very game...and great of course) and McLarnins decimation of Corbett is probably the greatest K.O win never filmed. (Corbett III is in my top 50 or just outside of it, amazing fighter with a dense resume) Jackie Fields was a top level Welterweight, and whilst it's easy to dismiss LaBarba as being green he was an ultra-talented Olympic Gold medallist who was matched tough early and got results. McLarnin got the better of him over 3 fights as well.

 

As you know, I really liked your list :good I know I have Pep pretty high, but that is really high. BUT, see below :deal

In terms of Canzoneris placing, when you get to 1-10 and 11-20, all the guys are so evenly matched it's really a case of 'what you like'.

Great quote from McGrain: 'Boxing is not maths, it's music'.

 

How anyone can trash Durans record is beyond me!!!

Duran in his prime was amazing, anything less is sheer ignorance. Prime Duran dominated the Lightweight division for 6 years, post prime Duran went on to win titles in the Welterweight division and the Middleweight division (None of this light welterweight and light middleweight bollocks.

Guy was a phenomenon and a true warrior.

 

Yeah I somewhat agree it's tricky placing them. If we're all being honest, that's the fun tho right :good

Pep has one of the greatest prime records in recorded history and could barely be hit until a plane crash which he miraculously recovered from!

Past prime wins over saddler are amazing and I think it's a fair stretch calling anyone but pep the goat featherweight.

Screw mcgrain I spend all day teaching kids that maths is the most important thing they can ever learn

It kills me sometimes that boxing rankings are so fluid as opposed to formulaic. It'd be much dashes if it was just number of wins minus number of losses

 

Well, he did beat some top 140lb contenders/champion (or who would go on to be) in Mamby and Brooks, and beat Davey Moore, coming off an amazing win over a weight-drained, but, judging by the fight, still very very good Kalule, for the title at 154.

So chuck that bollocks in as well (and it is for the most part) and you've got a few more solid wins as well :good

 

**** maths I got a few high grade A levels, and A* in English.....but even in 3 years of being forced to re-do it at college, couldn't even manage an 'F' in mathematics :nut

I'm like, numerically dyslexic I think.....

 

It's cos you didn't have a top teacher like me haha.

I think you're galaxy dyslexic aswell getting confused between khaokor and kaosai :good

 

Ali.

 

:twisted::fire

Nah, Robbo is so much faster. Bad matchup for Duran IMO. Robinson had Hearns' power but ten times the chin and durability. Not many bad matchups out there for Duran, but at 147 Robinson is a bad, bad matchup for him (assuming he's a little bit faster than the middleweight version)

 

Hagler reigned 10 years Vano? Come on mate...;O)

 

I was about to post the same thing

Vano, I agree wholeheartedly about the Palomino fight. He is punch perfect against Guts as well, very underrated performance IMO, patient and clinical.

For the opposite end of the spectrum, Buchanan/Leonard 1 :bbb