Is Rocky Marciano The Most Overated Heavyweight Of All Time?

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    How you think he would do against Foreman has absolutely nothing at all with Rocky Marciano not being great. Marciano was not an idea. He existed and proved himself great in his own lifetime. An idea you have about something that can't happen won't erase what a fighter achieved in his own time.
     
  2. billy smith

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    I agree Tysons more dangerous for Foremani see Rocky go like Frazier quick and to easily overpowered. Rocky getting up but just knocked down again..Tyson not as one sided he's gonna land some heavy shots..
     
  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    An exhibition match is a whole different ballgame, was the fix just an excuse then or did Dempsey GTFO by a Fireman?? Either way it doesn't look good for Dempsey...
     
  4. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He has earned his status as a great, no question. His legacy endures and he is one of the most popular fighters on this forum.
    His knockout of Walcott just may be the most iconic knockout of all time.

    That all said, I think it's hard for fans to accept that certain big heavyweights may have swept him aside rather easily. Foreman, Liston, Tyson, Bowe, Lewis and others may have made mincemeat of him.

    Fans seem to take umbrage to this since it was Rocky we're talking about...a man who never lost.
    Perphaps it is just as well for them that we'll never know.
    Personally I am a big fan. But he had shortcomings, just like everyone else.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    If, and its a mighty big , Dempsey participated in a fix it is a black mark against him..In mitigation one might say he was young poor and needed the dough.
    The former occupation of his opponent is irrelevant. He could be described as the one time conqueror of Sam Langford and that would hold a bit more relevance I feel.




    Marciano was not poor when he engaged in that fraud, to my way of thinking he could easliy have instructed the promoter to come clean to the audience and say the original opponent has not turned up/is indisposed whatever ,but Rocky is willing to go some rounds with his kid brother.He did not choose that route his brother was announced as the missing opponent and that is a con-trick whatever way you slice it.
     
  6. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's your opinion that those larger fighters would beat Marciano. There is no proof they would. In the hwt division size is never been a predictor of success. Certainly Ali who is rated by most everyone as the best including myself would have his hands very full trying to beat Rocky. He said so himself. B
     
  7. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You still don't get it do you, an exhibition match and a real fight are two completely different animals...
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    This does not prevent Marciano being great in his own lifetime. These are just ideas.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I get it because I 've done both. If I say I'm Joe Bloggs and box under that name when I'm really the teenaged brother of the opponent both I and my brother are participating in a lie, a con of the paying public and that is why Marciano was banned.
    Its pretty simple to grasp really.
    You tried to smear Dempsey with an allegation that has never been proven and that most now dismiss as false.
    I have countered it with an incident in Rocky's career that is an established fact and was in several newspapers, two books and the boxing commission of several states archives..
     
  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    even you yourself say "May have swept him aside" nobody knows. In life we know and you accept he was great. It is not an overation to say Marciano was great.
     
  11. mcvey

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    No its not ,whatever overation means.:think
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    In recent years I've see more people objecting to the idea that Marciano would beat the likes of Frank Bruno, Mike Dokes and Ray Mercer ... than objecting to the idea that Liston and Foreman might beat him. :lol:
     
  13. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Absolutely.
    I think fans sometimes worry that IF it were to be magically proven that Rocky would lose to modern big heavyweights, that what he represents and what he achieved is somehow diminished.
    Not to me it doesn't.
     
  14. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Or Sonny Liston, or Earnie Shavers, or Lennox Lewis, or Vlad Klitchko, and plenty of others for that matter.

    I think the Marciano worshippers get confused between him and Sylvester Stallone to be honest with this " will to win " cr ap.:rofl

    All the " will to win " in the world don't mean sh it when you are sitting on your ass, looking up at the other guy, knowing he can put you straight back down there again if you do manage to get up.
     
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  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Haha. If Don King can invent the word trickeration I'm inventing overation.:good