Is Roy Jones Jr. The Greatest Super-Middleweight Ever?

he may not be the best, but roy jones in his prime would have been a problem for any body from 160-168...anybody

 

I'll go with Roy.

Roy has a really really great win @ 168 against James Toney.

 

no

 

Calzaghe ranks higher @ 168 due to his achievements and time spent at the weight.

However I think Roy would've won head-to-head over him and basically any other super middleweights for that matter.

Maybe some of the guys weighing around 165-168 or so before the division was established would win, but since the super middleweight division was established in the 80s, I don't know of anyone I'd pick over Roy head-to-head.

 

Head to head there is no competition for Roy Jones Jr. at 168 lbs. He is the greatest SMW of all time, bar none.

On resume Calzaghe edges him out at 168. Jones didn't stay too long, and fought bums after disposing of Toney.

 

All the guys you just listed are **** apart from Eubank. Regardless, Jones resume apart from toney at SMW was not really that impressive. What was impressive was the way he utterly dominated every opponent, something that Calzaghe has not done. Do you really think Robin Reid or Sakio Bika would have managed to go the distance with a prime Roy Jones at SMW? If so then you should go seek help.

 

The difference between Joe and Roy is that Roy went up weight divisions to challenge himself, where as Joe stayed in a weak division and made defenses against a series of unworthy challengers.

 

Does anyone on here actually believe that prime for prime, head 2 head, Joe could beat Roy. Roy was a beast, he had unbelievable power, speed, defense and would do things in the ring that no one else could. He would throw vicious combinations, and from all sorts of angles. Joe would be in WAY over his head. This is not even close IMO.

 

I totally agree.:good

 

^^ thats why he is undefeated, unlike jones :hi:

 

Jones was at his best at 168 and he was really good. He beat Toney who (no matter what the nuthuggers say is a fighter at the level of Jirov (a little above). Apart from that Roy didn't really meet anyone.

It would have been great to see him against Ottke or Calzaghe but because we didnt it is hard to know what would have happened. Personally I think Roy would have beaten Ottke. I think Roy would also have beatne Calzaghe, but a large part of that is because Joe wasn't fighting with his head for most of his carreer. The more experienced and smarter Calzaghe of the last couple of years would have had a far better chance than the young unthinking Calzaghe that went life and death with Reid.

I would give the former Calzaghe 15% chance and the current 40%. But it is pure speculation. Based on performances Hamed also looked more spectacular than Barrera so people would have looked at it and said "did you see the things that Hamed did and bla bla." Still Barrera ****ed him up.

I can see it going both ways but Roy gets a plus based on showmanship ;-)

 

IF...Calzaghe handles Kessler then i'd say he's done a little more at 168 than Jones...but head-to-head Jones would've decapitated Calzaghe...

 

+1

I think Roy Jones COULD have been rated as one of the top 168's ever, but he didn't stick around long enough.

 

Strange sleight of words. I think I get you, but Jones was better and if he had stayed at SMW, would have dominated for longer than Joe has.

To answer the thread question: Yes.

 

JC is a awesome fighter and been at SMW longer than Roy, that is why. In that weight prime for prime i dont even think it would be close, plus Roy had a spectacular win against a easy top 3 pfp, something I don't think Joe has done to that magnitude. Head to Head, Prime for Prime, I don't even think Joe has a chance. Roy would make easy work out of him. (Please dont use LHW fights because Roy simply fought different at 168, and that is what you have to go by.) View Tony and Pazienza and go off of that, I dont want to hear about laying back and counterpunching because that is not what Roy did at that weight.