Is Roy Jones Jr. The Greatest Super-Middleweight Ever?

Head-to-Head --- You'd have to be clinically insane to say anyone could ever beat him at that weight

 

Jones is one the most athletically gifted fighters ever. His speed was enough to deal with most anyone. He gets mentioned in all time discussion with attributes alone. When you accompany that with his wins at 168 against Malinga, Toney, Thornton, Sosa, Lucas, and Brannon; you have a good list of names. The big name is Toney. Toney was considered to be the 2nd best p4p fighter at the time, Whitaker was #1.

I still want to see what Jones has remaining. He did not look shot, physically, in his last fight with Tarver. He seemed to lack the drive to win. He says he wants to fight Calzaghe. I'm interested in seeing if Joe is good enough for the old man version of Jones.

 

Well the post was about who was the best one, not the best one head to head.

Head to head, there isnt a fighter ever at SMW I would pick over Roy, but he just didnt fight there long enough to be considered the ALL TIME greatest SMW.

 

he may not have the greatest record at 168 ever, but I would pick him hands down against any other 168 pound great ever. So, YES.

 

I know she is not liked that much anywhere not even in the US, but maybe I should have said "Matt leBlanc instead?

The problem would be that the same people that did not see the problem with claiming that Roy is better simply because they have seen him more, will just say "yeah, Matt is better and so what?". In other words they will not understand the point. So I exaggerated it enough to give this group a chance to grasp the general idea.

 

I have seen plenty of both fighters and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Roy is by far the more gifted fighter.

 

Amen!

If we are talking head to head, Roy HAS to be the favorite. If its accomplishments....its Calzaghe.

And deram, maybe I went a little far with the us hate thing, but you have to admit, ANYTIME someone from the us favors a us fighter over a non-us fighter, some idiot is there to say that they are only doing it cause they are from the US. Its the most LAME arguement used on here.

There was a post about KT against Whitaker. I picked Sweet Pea....and sure enough, at least 5 people said it was because Whitaker was from the US.

Its every post of the like....if your from the states and you pick a fighter from the states....you do it because your from over here.

**** just gets old.

And Matt LeBlanc is an awful actor too...anyone can play an idiot, if you know, their an idiot.

But I do get your analogy.

 

Future prediction: Kessler will surpass both...

 

I lean towards Roy too, but that has nothing to do with my post.

Roy is NOT the best just because he has been shown more on US TV and american fans go "Joe who?"

Many American fans would go "Max who?" and pick Matt leBlanc any day of the week. And that would be wrong.

So just a warning not to equate being shown on US TV with being good and not being shown with not being good. That Roy may be better than Calzaghe is another issue.

 

Good.

And yes, I can see that it can get annoying that people question American praise of fellow American athletes. However, believe me it can get at least as annoying to see countless "top 10 lists" and "p4p lists" etc. made by American media (who dominate the internet and ..world as such) put Americans (or american-based people) in if at all possible and then just sprinkle a few foreigners just to be politically correct.

For that reason it is only logical that people do not just swallow everything that comes from US media/fans (because they (too) often DO swallow everything that comes from US media.

But of course there will be times where the US media are actually coirrect and then it must definitely be annoying that people question it in those instances. I can see that.

 

I see where your coming from, but on this forum it gets out of hand.

AND, it also goes both ways on here. I remember just after Sultan beat Briggs....there were a few people saying Sultan would KO a PRIME Holyfield. Ive also heard that Evander, Bowe, Tyson, etc. werent that good and were only just overrated by the American media.

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Its cool when warrented, or if its obvious they are underrating the non-us fighter. But seriously, its EVERYTIME on here.

 

I have to agree that the US bashing is getting out of hand. It is no more apparent then any other countries support of their particular fighters. If anything the US posters are less biased IMO then posters from smaller countries. Denmark, Mexico, Phillipines and Australia being prime examples. If you went on the Aussie boards the ridiculous claims about Anthony Mundine is truely mind boggling. Likewise with Kessler, although at least with Kess it is a tad more excusable as he has so far been very good in the ring.

 

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Yeah, I see what you are saying. On the other hand though there are still many people on ESB that believe the US media and that 100 out of a 100 in any major sport are americans (except for a few thrown in for political correctness and to make it look like an international ranking).

As long as those people abound here there will be others that are naturally sceptical.

I am sure that there are instances as you say where they are too sceptical.

Regarding the bias from smaller countries is certainly true that it exists too. However, the point is that the US fans and media far far out-shout any bias from elsewhere. If the US fans were less biased (or rather if there were less biased fans, because for sure there are also many clever american fans that don't believe the world stops at the US borders) then we could see and take notice of the other biased fans. As it is now there may be some rowdy mice in the room, but everyone is talking about the rowdy elephant in the room because - it is a rowdy elephant.