Is Roy Jones the hardest fighter of the modern era to properly appraise?

Why, because I enjoy the female form, especially when it's my female counterpart? Wow, didn't know that was such a horrible thing.

Roy Jones late career? Jones fought 14 LHW, 11 of which were ranked in the top 10 by Ring or were champions (8 were). That's not counting a HW champion. You have issue with that?

 

Maybe....the chin issue is perhaps the linchpin. It isn't possible to definitively say how good it was in his prime.

 

you are the epitome of fool. i JUST said there isn't much sense in arguing subjective material.

 

And yet you said this.

I simply responded. I find it miserable when someone makes an ambiguous statement only to leave with a parting shot that fully discloses their actual opinion.

Your insults are duly noted, though have little impact on our discussion. I don't know why you feel you need them.

 

would you expect a champion that was considered p4p#1 to fight people that are OUTSIDE of the top 10. LMAO.

 

Pacquiao has and he is #2....4 of his last 8 fights. You mentioned him in contrast to Jones, which is what got us to this point. In no way do I think Pacquiao has fought bad competition. Quite the opposite actually. Just pointing out that Jones often gets called out on his resume for fighting one or two bad fighters, which somehow spread to 10 fighters later on.

You haven't presented anything yet that substantiates that statement or your question about Jones late career. If Jones fought the top contenders at LHW and numerous champions, what is your issue with his late career? Perhaps you meant that Jones could have done more by fighting even greater fighters outside his weight class. That may or may not be valid, but such attempts always fell apart at the negotiating table, such as the one with the fighter in your avatar.

 

RJJ is my favorite fighter fullstop..

 

out of topic, but your female counterpart has a nice ass. not too big, not too flat:thumbsup.

 

The problems I have with people who talk about Roy's chin is that they have selective reasoning. They see Jones get KO'd, YES in one punch by a hard hitting Tarver when he got caught in a terrible position, the guy tried to do something he would in his prime and throw a left hook too far out only difference is HE HAD HIS EYES CLOSED. The point is he got caught trying to break the rules of boxing when he was basically fading fast, he didn't have the reflexes he used to so it was only a matter of time. Then he gets KO'd by Johnson, who literally hit roy with everything he had for 9 rounds. Roy was getting busted up the whole fight, got KD and his head bounced off the canvas hard.

Now many people will say, well Roy never got hit in his life before those times. Not true. In his fight with B-Hop he was hit, in his fight with James Toney he was hit a few, in his fight with John Ruiz he was hit with a number of right hands (if you watch that fight you will see what I mean), he was hit by Vinny Paz, he was hit by Clinton Woods, he was knocked down by Lou Vall (sp?) and got back up right away and hit by other fighters as well cleanly. Some of the times his reflexes were so good that he could turn with the punch or move just enough so that he would not get hit so cleanly, but this didn't happen all the time. The thing is it happened in spots and it wasn't a sustained attack and continous, the only time I saw an individual land on him repeatedly with some very very hard shots was against Tarver in the first fight. Tarver hit him with so many shots in that fight, some blocked but a lot of them were clean in some rounds which is why roys left eye was pretty messed up. Roy took ALL HIS SHOTS in that fight, NO ONE ever mentions this. They only remember when you fall not when you sat in there took it and came back. In the first fight, not sure what rond it was, maybe the 6 round Tarver busted him up I was amazed that Roy took the onslaught and came back in the next round. I thought maybe Tarver doesn't hit that hard or maybe Roy has a chin.

If Roy couldn't take a punch John Ruiz would've KO'd him because he was HIT at times throughout the fight, if he couldn't take a punch there would not have been a rematch with Tarver because he would've got ko'D IN THE FIRST FIGHT EARLY, if he couldn't take a punch Johnson would've KO'd him early instead of taking 9 rounds to beat a man who really wasn't throwing anything and was being hit with all HIS shots. He got broke down in the Johnson fight and was doing nothing, no desire to win. Seriously guys, if we are going to Judge Roy's chin mainly off his rematch with Tarver, then please take into consideration his first fight with Tarver. Don't chose one over the other, but look at them both side by side. Jones took a lot of shots in that first fight, but he gets no credit because of the rematch overshadows it. I'm not saying he had a chin of steel, but I am saying people underrate his chin by reason of selective memory.

 

Thank you (she said thanks as well....)

 

Didn't go to boxrec my friend, I just know McCallum's resume, and I do believe he's quite underrated. A top 40-50 ATG for sure upon rethinking it from the last time you brought it up.

 

Sorry who are the 3 atg that Jones beat? Hopkins, Toney, and ?

Hill?

 

McCallum. Hill is an underrated fighter.....not an ATG, though you begin to wonder considering the criteria we see now. Why is Mosley an ATG and Hill is not? He defended his LHW title more times than Mosley had title fights I believe.