Is Roy Jones the P4P GOAT?

There's no certainty about it, different people have different opinions about who the best is.

That quote is removed from context, reread that particular dialogue to truly understand what I meant.

Saddler is a tremendous victory and maybe if I was to see footage of the rematch I would be inclined to agree.

I respect him by watching him box. You can respect him however you want.

 

Whitaker beat Julio Cesar Chavez who is equal to Saddler more or less and Azumah Nelson who is pretty damned good. Let's not act like his resume is lacking. He also beat Julio Cesar Vasquez 20 pounds above his best weight. That's like Willie Pep beating Red Cochrane.

 

Was Chavez or Whitaker in their primes? Pep fresh off of a plane crash and losing to Saddler came back on beat Saddler in a rough house war. Saddler is greater than prime Whitaker and Chavez IMO.

 

Saddler is the second best featherweight imo and quite possibly the most dangerous puncher in the divisions history. But when Whittaker came across inside fighters he schooled them, Pep didnt have the same success against great inside fighters.

Like I said though, if the film of the rematch ever got released it is quite possible I'd be agreeing with you. Same with a lot of these past greats really. I mean of we all saw Greb paste Tunney he might be my number 1 also.

That is a huge flaw with my ranking and I readily accept it without justification. I only judge on what I've seen and there could be plenty better than what I have see.

Langford could well be the best light heavy of all time but one heavyweight fight against Jeannete isn't enough for me to make that assertion. So when Janitor talks about accuracy, I will concede that point there because I have a plethora of missing data.

My top ten is something like:

Robinson
Whittaker
Jones
Armstrong
Duran
Leonard
Pep
Ali
Hagler
Jofre

Guys like Wilde (**** you Canto), Napoles, Hearns, Burley and as it stands, Langford, bring up the rear. If Floyd closes out his career well he will end up in there. Same with Hopkins. I don't rank active fighters because it changes too much fight by fight.

 

:wtf

 

I love Armstrong against Ross and I think his defence in the first half of the fight is extremely underated. He is in against maybe the most accurate and textbook puncher in the world and he takes incredibly few shots imo.

Regarding Pep, that's a very good point. I can't remember which fight I saw of his, I'm sure I've only seen one though and from memory he looked incredible. Although Ali is arguably just as good in his plethora of fights we can see. It's a tough call between them two for me and maybe I get a bit blinded by the writeups of Pep which kinda defeats the objective I guess. I'll rewatch what I can at some point :good

 

whittaker is good technician, great technique & defense, second only to Camacho but he didnt have any power. I would place Camacho over him becuz he had the same skills but was three times faster.

Leonard over Pep? well that just a mistake. when did Leonard ever go on 70 bout win streaks, one right after the other?

it doesnt take a fistic genius to gets a points win over a shot pug, just good management and proper timing, although he was very good that nite (still not good enough for a Nunn or Norris)

I wouldnt argue about Roy being top ten. his wins were just too convincing to argue

 

No Billy Conn or Ezzard Charles?

 

Surprised about gavilan being there tbh. What would you say is his best showing?

Louis is quality, think I prefer Liston though.

Yeah seeing prime hank destroy his foes would likely have him in my top 3.