Is Ruiz an all time great HW?

And this sort of thread is why i rarely post on here

 

Trickle down economics.
We didn't have any big fights this weekend so the trolls and dummies are rehashing last weeks material.
Plus Izu Ugonoh got upset by a fatty so it adds a little flavor to the Ruiz story.

 

Thought this was a Mark Ant thread.

 

It's a new generation. The future is now, old man.

 

Troll

 

Do you mean John Ruiz???
The first Latino HW champion

Wins over...
Evander Holyfield
Tony Tucker
Andrew Golota
Hasim Rahman
Kirk Johnson
Fres Oquendo
Jameel McCline

 

Yes. Non-negotiable.

 

beating bodybuilder does not make you ATG

he can beat him at chess but it also not help

 

he was gifted decision against Golota. no way he won that fight.

 

Many felt he beat Valuev but people only tend to look at the official decision and that however we feel about it, is what tends to stand

 

It looked to me like Ugonoh got hit when down in that fight

 

Jeez, that's a hell of a jump in hypotheticals.

 

That cheating FRAUD doesn't belong anywhere near ATG discussions, as virtually all of those "victories" over mostly rather ordinary HW contenders were gained due to incessant violation of the rules against excessive holding, violations that his connections with Don King allowed him to get away this.

Even worse, the "victories" over Johnson and in the second Holyfield fight were "achieved" due to overacting when hit with borderline body shots to get key "low blow" point deductions, or in the case of Johnson a bogus DQ "win." Again the connections with King brought favorable treatment from refs for these shameful tactics.

And then there was the outrageous gift decision against Golota, where Ruiz hit the deck twice and got a rare point deduction for his blatantly illegal tactics, and yet somehow got the decision. King's influence clearly extended to judges here, as it did in other fights at this time.

So John Ruiz belongs only in the debate over WORST HW beltholders of all time, because his whole career at the world class level is essentially based on chicanery.

ANDY Ruiz? Jury's still out, but he of course is not an ATG based on one dramatic upset. It remains to be seen whether he will be an ATG or another flash-in-the-pan like Leon Spinks, Buster Douglas or Hasim Rahman.

 

Agree. Golota turned in a rare decent performance and imo handily won that fight. Can only imagine the judges went home in new Porsches.