Is Saul Alvarez #1 P4P at this current moment?

Canelo has essentially been the consensus P4P #1 since 2019. The loss to Bivol has to be taken in its proper context. If we're talking "P4P" that's not a bad loss. He was daring to be great challenging an undefeated Champion at a weight class above the weight he's Undisputed in. If you evaluate that for what it was, a very close decision loss to an Undefeated Champion fighting him at a weight disadvantage, it's still a good performance all things considered. An underwhelming performance, but a good showing nonetheless. He wasn't hurt at any point, he wasn't Knocked down, it was a very competitive fight. He had success early on, but the stamina issues became apparent as the fight wore on. If a car has a leaky gas tank, and it needs to go into the shop for repair, you don't downgrade the car if the problem can be repaired, if it's not an inherent flaw to the vehicle. We need to see Canelo fight and defend his titles at 168 before we can downgrade him. If he performs well against GGG and wins, he'll have solidified himself as the P4P #1. Because no one would have a better win than beating GGG, even at 40. And no, Inoue's win over Donaire isn't remotely comparable, Donaire already had a ton of losses, he's been down before and KO'd before, and is nowhere near as difficult to beat as GGG.

Usyk beating Joshua was not as impressive as Canelo's wins at SMW, Canelo beat 3 Undefeated SMW Champs one after the other, the first by 12 round domination and the other 2 by spectacular KO. Joshua is nowhere near as difficult to beat as Bivol is. Joshua already lost to Ruiz, so he's already been exposed. The guys who Canelo beat and lost to have never been exposed. So we're talking a guy who has a body of work of stellar performances and the recent loss is explainable by fighting at a weight disadvantage and still doing relatively well against a guy in Bivol who has never been in a close competitive fight like that before. When you take into account that no one below him has done anything to surpass him as P4P #1, and the fact that the loss wasn't a bad loss, it's really a no brainer. P4P is in a state of limbo right now, it's no surprise that some publications have dropped him from P4P #1, after all a loss is a loss, but it's not the kind of loss that really hurts his P4P status. He could potentially bounce back into consensus P4P #1 if he beats GGG, and if he's still not P4P #1 after that, then if he goes on to beat Bivol in a rematch, he'll most likely be back as consensus P4P #1. Now if he loses to GGG, then you can throw that out the window, but as it stands as the Undisputed SMW Champ, he remains for all intents and purposes at or near the Top of the sport.

 

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Crawford is p4p #1

 

Canelo has 0 votes lmao

 

He hasn't earned it. Beating a washed up Amir Khan, Kell Brook and Shawn Porter don't make you P4P #1. You need to beat a top opponent. He hasn't done it. And he hasn't been active enough. He's only fighting once per year.

 

Fan confidence in Canelo is at an all-time low after the loss. You can't expect fans to say he's P4P #1 after a loss, but we all know he's more than capable of reclaiming his throne. The GGG fight couldn't have come at a better time. It's put up or shut up time. Had he beaten Bivol or not fought him and got a win over someone else in May, everyone would expect him to beat GGG and would think that GGG has no chance. But now, after the loss, more people think that GGG might be able to beat him coming off a loss. It's more interesting this way, fans tend to exaggerate, now it's more interesting, and Canelo has to deal with adversity, something he hasn't dealt with in a long time. The last time he dealt with real adversity was when he fought GGG, so it's coming full circle next month. We'll have the answers we seek soon enough.

 

No.

 

He never was

 

He didn't get beat "easy" but Bivol certainly has put himself into the P4P conversation with that win. Bivol has solid fundamentals and has good skills, but to be P4P #1 you really need to show that you are more than just good, but that you have something extraordinary that separates you from the rest. And you really need to prove it not just once but over a period of time against top competition. Canelo ran into a fighter in Bivol that doesn't have any glaring weaknesses. But Bivol while doing enough to win didn't really impress in the way Canelo impresses that made him P4P #1. P4P at its core is more than just wins and losses, it's how capable you are as a fighter, primarily the skills you possess and how you perform. Canelo possesses a unique skillset, solid fundamentals but also a dynamic and varied offensive arsenal and that puts him at a level above the rest, even if he's outpointed, even if he loses, he's still able to do things in that ring that other fighters don't have the ability to do. So for Bivol to be P4P #1, he needs to do more, because Canelo has done tons more in the sport, Canelo has taken more risks, Canelo has accomplished more. If Bivol took on Beterbiev and beat him, then that would go a long way. If he beats Canelo a second time, then it would be hard to deny that he's a special fighter.

We just haven't seen Bivol do anything truly extraordinary in the way that Canelo has or in the way that other P4P #1s have. You look at what Canelo can pull off in that ring, whether it's the high level defensive evasion moves, whether it's the ropes work, the uppercuts, the "bicep" bombs, the body shots, none of these guys in the P4P rankings show this kind of skill. Canelo might be a bit of a plodder compared to a Lomachenko, he might not have the work rate or the stamina of a Bivol, but he does things that these guys can't do. And not only that but he's shown the willingness to take on difficult challenges even if he has to make weight sacrifices to make tough fights, he puts it on the line time and time again and he's been doing it his whole career. One loss to Bivol at 175 really doesn't hurt him P4P that much, but it does open the door for other fighters to stake their claim as P4P #1. The problem is these guys in the conversation don't have the body of work or the unique skills Canelo does. And they haven't taken the kinds of challenges that Canelo has to earn P4P #1.

 

WTF kindda moronic thread is this ?

 

He wasn't even before the loss,

 

You know quite well he was the universally recognized P4P #1 when he fought Bivol.

 

No. He isn't.

Usyk is the current #1

 

Not universally but a good chunk of boxing.

 

He was announced as the #1 P4P fighter in the world in the ring during ring introductions. He was P4P #1 on virtually all P4P lists. ESPN was pretty much the only major sports outlet that didn't have him P4P #1 between 2019-2021 but that changed last year when they finally crowned him #1 after he beat Saunders. Going into Bivol, he was the pretty much the consensus P4P #1 and had been for many years.