Is Saul Alvarez #1 P4P at this current moment?

And?
Margarito with Mosley was announced as the queen.
He was on several but not all that is all I am saying.
For example TBRB didnt and I rate them as the best.

 

No he wasn't, it was always subjective. There were some that considered him, some did not. Let's not be intellectually dishonest with "universally"

 

You're wrong. Check the archives :

https://tbrb.org/p4p-rankings-archive

The last list before he fought Bivol was March 7 2022 which had Canelo #1 and Usyk #2.

Usyk didn't become #1 on the TBRB until after Canelo lost to Bivol.

In fact, Canelo was P4P #1 on every TBRB P4P List they had starting from November 5 2019 until he lost to Bivol. *Except for Nov 3, 2020 & Dec 8, 2020 where they had Inoue #1 and Canelo #2 for a short period of time, before Canelo reclaimed the #1 again on the Dec 22, 2020 List and he remained #1 until he lost to Bivol.

So outside of Nov 3, 2020 - Dec 21, 2020, Canelo was P4P #1 for 2 and a half years straight on the TBRB.

 

Which ones didn't? Which ones didn't have him P4P #1 when he fought Bivol?

 

Yep,I was wrong.
Still dont think it was right though.

 

And on that note, what P4P lists if any was he not P4P #1 when he fought Bivol?

 

McGrain’s.

 

You can't find a single sports outlet where he wasn't P4P #1 can you? You're a stand up guy for admitting you were wrong about the TBRB, and I really respect you for owning that. But there's something seriously mental going on here as it pertains to Canelo. And it's not just you, I mean look at northpaw saying that I'm being intellectually dishonest for stating an unequivocal fact that he was the consensus universally recognized P4P #1 and had been for many years.

When you said that you rate TBRB as the best , and you thought TBRB didn't have him P4P #1 when he actually was and had been for 2 and a half years and then we got northpaw telling me I'm intellectually dishonest for saying he was universally recognized as P4P #1 then he goes radio silent when I ask him to find a list where he wasn't P4P #1, I'm sorry but there's something seriously wrong here. I'm stating facts bro, we have people making claims like he was never P4P #1. Ya'll gotta check yourself, you're putting yourself in a position you don't need to be in. And for no reason!!

If what you said was true, that you rate TBRB as the best (you said that) and now you just found out they had Canelo P4P #1 all that time, how does that happen, how do you get to that point? That should tell you something. What made you think TBRB was the best if they had a guy P4P #1 all this time who you say shouldn't have been? That just doesn't make any sense. I mean don't you understand why Canelo was recognized by all the major outlets as P4P #1? It's one thing for you or anyone else to personally disagree with that OK. But to claim that he wasn't when he clearly was is utterly insane.

For some reason you thought he wasn't #1 on the TBRB. Where did that thought come from? Because you said you rated them the best lol. And it's not just TBRB, it was all the major outlets, yet you and northpaw claimed some didn't have him #1. What am I supposed to do with you guys?

 

I dont know,I didnt remember it correctly.
I remembered most people had Usyk as no 1.
I didnt even look for a website or snything as it would take too much.
I thought most people would like if not agree Usyk’s way was harder than Canelo’s way to the top and rate it as such.

 

I think the problem is that it's easy to get a bad case of tunnel vision after reading all the delusional Canelo haters on this forum, that this sort of thinking starts to seep into your brain and make you believe things that don't exist in the real world. I mean we see this all the time, with people claiming matter of factly that GGG already beat Canelo and stuff like this. It's OK to live in your own bubble, right, we all do it to an extent, but you can't completely lose track of reality. That's all I'm saying G-Man. I know you don't mean any harm, but it's getting ridiculous in here with all the delusion.

Look, much of this forum probably didn't think Canelo should have been P4P #1, but that doesn't change the fact that he objectively was. Not only is it disrespectful to claim he wasn't or argue he shouldn't have been, but it's dishonest to actually claim he never was when he clearly was. Just like those who say he never beat GGG. Everyone is entitled to their opinion OK. Anyone can say "I scored those fights for GGG" or "I never thought Canelo should have been P4P #1". That's all fine, but when you start making up stuff that isn't real, and then come at people like me who have the facts on their side, that's when you run into problems.

 

Well it s not like those Golovkin-Alvarez fights were clear cut for either man.
You can easily,at least for the first one,find a scorecard favoring Golovkin.
So it s not such a ludicrousnclsim to say he lost imo even though as the politically better connected fighter he got thru those 2 without an L.

 

The way Bivol dominated him and outclassed him he cannot be viewed as P4P number 1. I think we can give it to Crawford for the next few months as an undefeated 3 weight division world champion including undisputed at 140 pounds. In. Few months he loses his 0 to my boy EJ The Truth Erroll Spence Jr.

 

There was nothing dominant about it whatsoever. Canelo put it on Bivol in rounds 1-4 and in Round 9. The other rounds Bivol won but they were highly competitive. Canelo just gassed and lowered his output allowing Bivol to win rounds. Olu what is happening to you?? You used to be a reliable poster but you're falling fast. Crawford has done practically nothing for years. Beating a washed up Amir Khan, a washed up Kell Brook and an about to retire Shawn Porter does not make you P4P #1. Get real and stop with the BS!!

 

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2. Oleksandr Usyk
3. Terence Crawford
4. Errol Spence Jr.
5. Saul Alvarez
6. Tyson Fury
7. Juan Francisco Estrada
8. Roman Gonzalez
9. Dmitry Bivol
10. Jermell Charlo

 

Very true, they weren't clear cut. But we have people acting like they were and GGG won both fights clearly which he surely didn't. I'm not even claiming that Canelo won both fights clearly, because I don't do that kinda stuff. But the fact is, he's undefeated vs GGG after 24 rounds. That alone says a lot about how good Canelo is, and that as 4/5 years ago, Canelo (prior to Bivol at least) had only gotten better since then.

Now we don't know what version of Canelo is gonna show up next month, but this is a guy that's been carrying boxing for years and years and years, and he's getting no respect on this forum. Now if you wanna chalk up him beating GGG to being the "politically better connnected fighter", that's your agenda, but you know better. You know full well how Canelo performed and how he bested GGG in many areas. Failure to appreciate what he accomplished over those 24 rounds just doesn't compute on a boxing forum. You know what happened, but if there's some cognitive dissonance going on, it's best to deal with that. I share clips of what happened and people ignore them. You wanna ignore what happened and spin what happened to say GGG won, go ahead, but it's nonsense. Canelo bested him both times, GGG was lucky to get a draw in that first fight. Now you could argue he won it on volume but he did not land the better shots or the more effective shots. GGG got exposed by a version of Canelo who was still a work in progress. People wanna make excuses for GGG, the fact is, he failed to do what his fans said he was gonna do, which was supposed to be a lot more than just squeak out a decision. Canelo proved a lot of people wrong with what he did to GGG and a lot of fans resent him for it, but it was their error in judgement, in underestimating Canelo and overestimating GGG.