Is Saul Canelo Alvarez really a fight picker?

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Is Canelo Alvarez a fight picker?

  1. Yes. He is a worse cherry picker than Floyd Mayweather ever was.

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  2. Yes. But Mayweather was worse.

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  3. Yes and No. He picks some fights, but also fights the best at times.

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  4. No. He has always faced the best and has never ducked anyone.

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  1. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    What good is it for a fighter to complain about the obviously bent officiating?? Who are they going to complain to? The state Commission ?? ROFL They've been ignoring it for years ,done nothing to try & stop it in fact someone asked Bob Bennett if he was going to investigate Adelaide Bird's notorious 118 - 110 card
    He laughed & said "No Adelaide is one of my best judges she just had a bad night" !! Need we say more
     
  2. C.J.

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    Answer is...... Will the sun come up tomorrow???/ A certainty
     
  3. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pro boxing is also a business and Canelo makes millions of dollars for alot of people involved with him so its in the best interests of alot of parties involved with Canelo if going into a bout Canelo has some sort of advantage over the opposing boxer.Weight,venue,judges,age etc all these are taken into account when making bouts for Canelo.
    And if Canelos people thought Canelo could beat David they would have made the fight already since everyone wants to see it and outside of David there is no other main fight at that weight class that would be an instant pay per view.
     
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  4. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When most boxers sign to fight Canelo they are getting a record pay day that will easily be in the millions. So with the exception of Mayweather and maybe GGG most boxers facing Canelo are in no position to demand anything unless they want to forgo their largest payday of their entire boxing career. And since boxers turn pro to make money attempting to tell the biggest draw in boxing what to do is basically asking not to get your largest payday most boxers will go along with whatever Canelos camp decides.
     
  5. lordlosh

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    Floyd was prolly worst, but Canelo is not that far out.
    It's not just the opponent picking, but also the weight, the clauses, and all kind of s****.
    Also the judges gifts, which is the worst part of course.

    His resume on paper is great, but in reality, he lost a one side beating to Bivol, should have lost TWICE to GGG, and at least 1 more time to Lara/Trout.
    Should i continue?
     
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  6. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Where’s the “Actually, most of his recent fights have been fixed, where his opponents look specifically to have come to lose.” Option?
     
  7. Reg

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    The hype for Bivol was massive when he was beating Barerra and Smith. Anyone not coming into the sport in the last couple years clearly knew Bivol was a step too far for Canelo.
     
  8. Power_tek

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    The reality is that this what modern day boxers do, they don’t take a fight until they feel the pendulum has swung in their favour.
    Canelo is a master at it but it’s worth noting his resume has some serious opposition on it and a lot of them were still high risk, unless it goes to a decision then he’s nailed on for the win.
    Also it’s worth noting that his resume is as good as worthless as he is a drug cheat.
    So every win should be questioned.
    I was his biggest fan until he got popped.
     
  9. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's hard to see how delaying the fight is in Canelo's interest when Benavidez is much younger and only just coming in to his prime. If Canelo was trying to catch him at a low point it would have been best to do it a few years ago.

    The reality is that a boxer's legacy is defined by their record. The scorecards and refereeing become footnotes once the fight is 20+ years old.

    People will watch a fight like JCC vs Taylor and think "Taylor should have won" but then they go back to dissecting the career of JCC and don't think much about Taylor.

    I suspect the business aspect is important but in a different way than usual. He isn't (necessarily) looking for an opponent to bring in an audience, he's looking for someone who is reliable and easy to work with.

    If you look at the fighters he avoided like Jermall Charlo, Benavidez, and Andrade, a lot of them are flakes and headcases on some level.

    If you look at it from Canelo's perspective, imagine you've been paid $xx million and are at the center of a complex web of contracts for everything from TV ads to mariachi bands. Now fight week comes and it's a no-go because the opponent is in jail/overweight/depressed/etc. That makes all the stakeholders less willing to do the next Canelo fight because they paid for Canelo vs Charlo on Cinco de Mayo but got Canelo vs Joe Jackass some other weekend instead.
     
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  10. IsaL

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    Great post!
     
  11. MorvidusStyle

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    It's pretty simple, he always fights with the advantages. He always has the judges on his own promotion. And that's often not enough for him and he tries for more unfair advantages.

    Here is a factual list of his antics people can add to. Not all are 'the best' fighters, but the pattern is there to see. And these are all validated by the fighters themselves.

    Fielding - drain clause
    GGG - aged him x3
    Chavez Jr. - basically drained him to 168, since he couldn't make it for years
    Jacobs - drain clause
    Kovalev - drain clause (and kovalev admitted he wasn't getting the fight except at that time, i.e. when he was compromised from the Yarde fight and turnaround)
    Saunders - tried to short-notice him the first time, and Saunders rejected fight
    Smith - didn't give proper notice, tried to drain-clause him
    Jack - tried to drain him massively for cruiser title, Jack rejected fight

    How much more evidence do people need? Then you add in the PEDs.
     
  12. MismatchHypejob

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    He cherry-picked Saunders straight up when he was at his weakest. There were so many factors:

    >Canelo fought BJS in 2021 ...BJS last high level fight was in 2017, against Lemieux. Since then BJS fought cans, BJS won the belt off of Shefat Isufi.
    >BJS was a 160lber, Canelo fought him up at 168lbs. BJS never fought anyone world level at 168lbs.
    >After BJS fought the ancient shot no feet Martin Murray and looked average, BJS stated in an IFL interview that he wouldn't take the Canelo fight because he wasn't ready (then proceeded to take the fight.........$$$$ talks)

    A prime BJS beats Canelo. Delusional people will think that's stupid, but if you consider the stone cold facts above, and the fact BJS was winning up until the fishy eye damage (I can't recall seeing such bruising/reddening under the eye) it is the complete opposite.

    It's all smokes and mirrors with Canelo now, even with the Bivol schooling, people think he just straight up beats people like BJS...the type of fighter he really struggles against (see Lara jab and straight Canelo's head off at 154lbs).

    Canelo is a massive tactical cherry picker like Floyd. And neither are as good as they have deluded their fangirls to believe.
     
  13. DynamicMoves

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    Chavez jr. was at 164.5.
    Khan was dragged up two weight classes.
     
  14. drenlou

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  15. Eclipse

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    Bivol was so hyped he was a 4-1 underdog vs Canelo. What do you think the odds would be vs Benavidez? Close to even money I think. Bivol was not rated anything special by 90% of the boxing world. Rings magazine writers all picked Canelo to beat him, 20 out of 20. Every single pro fighter and trainer that was interviewed in the mayweather gym, picked Canelo. 100%

    Now everyone is hyping him AFTER he beat Canelo and that stiff Zurdo. Yet the narrative was Canelo picked Bivol because he was looking for greatness. Hahaha.
     
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