Is Schmelling the most underrated HW?

Jesus Christ. Give it a rest eh?

 

Let's not forget what Maxie did to King Levinski in that 1934 exhibition after going the ten round distance at MSG, and then the 20 round limit in Reno (both in 1932). Properly motivated, Maxie should have always wiped out the Kingfish within a minute of the opening bell. (And let's also be mindful of the fact it was a left hook which crushed Levinski. Maxie was far from simply a right handed bomber like Ingo.)

 

I read his autobio more than once. And several bios on him. I don´t go by soft criterias like "what contemporaries said and thought". I go by the hard, cold facts of resume and achievement mostly. And there I have Max ahead of Jack.

Schmeling was ranked in the Top5 from 1929 to 1938. How is that inconsistent? During that time he had one over a fighter he didn´t beat before or after. I wouldn´t call that inconsistent.

 

It wasn't a freak loss, Baer was at his absolute best and simply too good for Schmeling.
Actually, Schmeling's form dipped in his next two fights after Baer battered him - "L12 Hamas" and "D12 Uzcudun" ....

 

The first Hamas fight apears to be by far his worst showing around his prime. He wasn't able to get his punches off and people were saying afterwards "stick a fork in him hes done". It sounds like he wasn't functioning at even the level of the Baer fight.

The Uzcdun draw is something of a red herring, because by all acounts he beat Uzcdun handily.

 

Yeah, I think he was fine for Baer but the beating Baer administered probably knocked something out of Schmeling.
Hamas was good though.

True. But I understand he didn't beat Uzcudun as well as he had in 1929.

 

Schmeling was a dangerous but inconsistant fighter .. I feel the Baer loss said more about Schmeling's limitations that Baer rising to any occasion ... I am a huge believer of Baer being severely limited ... the way Schmeling was brutally dominated is inexcusable to me ...

 

Yes B ,you go by "hard cold facts" as U put it. Don't you think that the vast majority of boxers, trainers, writers ,who saw prime Dempsey,and prime Schmeling, Louis, etc. in ringside, also go by " hard cold facts "?
B, you and I are not unique, but I believe in common sense,that tells me
to trust the vast opiniions of boxing historians who were THERE, when Jack Dempsey and Max Schmeling fought. There is our differences....

 

Watch the fight, going into the last round it was even. No way was Baer simply too good for him. Baer said himself he was lucky that Schmeling didn´t get that he had him ready to go.

How the f*ck is it inconsistent to be ranked in the Top5 for 10 years? :huh
Didn´t you even see the Baer fight? How the hell was Baer dominating him? :shock:

Oh, we are burt, very unique even. And I have great respect for you and your opinion but here I just disagree. I think Dempsey would knock Schmeling out. Perhaps even early, he has a very good chance to do so. But I don´t rank fighters on that, I rank them on what they actually did. And IMO Schmeling did more and better than Dempsey.

 

Schmeling was winning on my cards a great deal of the rounds until the knockout, despite being fouled up.

 

willams and valdes were not top tier when Liston faced them.
valdes was coming off a loss and in his final year as a pro. Ninos record at that time was not that of a contender on the way up. machen had already ended his chances as a top fighter knocking him out 3 years earlier, at the time liston fought valdes hed lost 8 times since hed been marcianos #1 contender way back when.

Top teir williams? When he faced Liston Bob satterfeild was the only known fighter williams had fought. wiliams retired for 2 years to get over it. In his comeback williams was nursed through 12 further low risk fights to build his confidence up before fighting the next decent fighter, Liston who knocked him out.

harris, machen and folly were the only "at that time rated" guys liston beat before becoming a champ. All had been knocked out just as impresively by other fighters. neither were unbeaten over the previous 2 years. patterson had been KOd within the two year timeframe also. Liston did what he had to do when he smoked patterson but he wasnt beating anything, floyd did not perform the first time and the rematch was the most pointles fight in history.

 

Does "Schmeling below Bowe or not?" deserve its own poll thread? :think

It seems it could run along a very evenly divisive fault line, with substantial arguments being made on both sides and splitting even the opinions of the wiser analysts.

 

:good Go for it.