Is Schmelling the most underrated HW?

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Mr "i don't deal with hypothetical matchups and H2H ratings"

not going against your principles here are you :tong

 

is it prudent considering the topic to post highlights of the fight in question?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yilXvhph3Y[/ame]

 

I don´t rate anybody based on this hypothetical wins. I just say that in my opinion if they would have fought 4 other times after their first fight I´d pick Schmeling to win them. Doesn´t influence my ranking since those hypothetical match-ups are not part of my criteria.

 

Baer lost also a lot against lesser fighters than Schmeling. Yes, the scorecards are relevant here because they are an indication of their performance in their fight. Baer didn´t look close to beeing stopped? Well, he himself said that he was lucky Schmeling didn´t realize that he had him ready to go in that fight.

Not 4 times but after losing to Hamas, he ended his career.

 

And in Schmeling's own autobiography he makes no excuse for his loss to Baer, and says he was simply outclassed.

 

I don´t make excuses either. He lost because Baer was better that night - not by much though - but that doesn´t mean he would be everytime which is my point. And if it´s "outclassed" in the English version it´s a translation mistake.

 

I would favour Baer to win by KO in a rematch, for what it's worth.
I'd probably rate Baer above Schmeling too - and I rate Schmeling higher than most here, perhaps higher than you do.

Yeah, I'd considered that. :good

 

Very honest and commendable of him, but in fact he was outclassed. Baer had his number because, as I said before, he was motivated by hate to win this fight.

 

How is an even fight outclassing? Or destroying? Or dominating? Sorry but I don´t get that. Was Hearns outclasses/dominated/destroyed by Leonard the first time around?

 

The fight wasn't even, bodhi.

There was one guy getting brutally battered in a frightening manner, and another doing the battering. And the referee stopped the fight to prevent someone getting killed.

 

The fight was indeed rather close for the better part of 10 rounds, and in this Schmeling is to be commended, but there's that 10th round, Baer obliterated Schmeling...call it what you want. And get off your high horse regarding my call of this fight and calling it like it was..I'm not denigrating the German,...hell, if anything, based on tons of posts I've made regarding Schmeling, I rate him very highly in the great heavyweight history scheme of things. I think you might just remember that. It's no anomaly here...many, many times in this sport, a guy just might have the number of another guy, no matter how many of their other key career bouts against common opponents may compare...like Schmeling's great victory vs Louis in fight I and Baer's comparitively dismal showing vs Louis...but head to head, Baer had Schmeling's number..could deal with the German's power, could walk right though him ultimately, and would have done it again, IMo if they were rematched.

 

Yeah, right. Watch it again.

Yes, in the 10th round Baer had Schmeling badly hurt and didn´t let him of the hook. But that is not outclassing, dominating or destroying. That´s finishing a close fight impressivly.

I don´t care how you rate who. It´s not about ranking or anything. It´s about looking at something and seeing it for what it is. And it that case it is a close fight in which one fighter in the end was good enough to finish it when he had his opponent hurt while the other didn´t - remember according to Baer himself he was ready to go too. Yes, impressive feat for Baer, very good, even a great win but it´s not outclassing, dominating or destroying. That´s my point and nothing else.

 

I think you need to watch it. Watch the ending in particular. Schmeling quite probably would have been killed if that hadn't been stopped.
So how can that be even ?

 

Score it and you´ll see. :thumbsup Baer had a tremendous 10th round where he hurt Schmeling and didn´t let him of but that doesn´t negate what happened before.

 

Actually, it does negate the score cards. This is how boxing works. :good