Is Sergey Kovalev an ATG?

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Is Kovalev an ATG

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Kovalev is nowhere near his best. He's a shell of his former self and you know it. That's the only reason this fight may happen stop playing dumb.
     
    UnleashtheFURY, Aug 26, 2019
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  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    He says Kovalev never cleaned out a division? He dominated 175. The only guy he missed was Stevenson who ducked the entire division after the year he won a title.

    Then he says ward is a great fighter, but is he really if you use his logic? Kovalev isn't even HOF. Froch shouldn't be either because his best win is a past prime Kessler. And Kessler isn't a top level win either because Kessler lost to Calzaghe and his only top win is Froch. And are those guys really that good? All they did was beat each other. Maybe if Ward had beaten Calzaghe he would have been a great fighter. But all Calzaghe did was beat Kessler, who really wasn't that good. Because all Kessler did was beat a guy who beat him too.

    You keep tearing down every top fighter on a boxer's resume and then you're left with nothing, but a bad resume.
     
    tinman, Aug 26, 2019
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  3. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    How is a close fight a robbery? Casamayor beating Santa Cruz was a robbery. Trinidad beating De La Hoya was a robbery. Ward beating Kovalev was NOT.
     
    drenlou, Aug 26, 2019
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  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Do you not know the difference between a robbery and a close fight? Pea schooled jcc there was no case that could be made for jcc wining it was one of the worst robberies ever. Kovalev-ward was a close fight a case can be made for both. Big difference there horrible comparison.
     
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  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    He's not a shell stop it. You will use that if canelo wins but if kovalev wins you will say it was the greatest win ever. Kovalev isnt shot he's past his best but not shot. He's still elite at 175 and if canelo beats him moving up it's a very good win.
     
    Pimp C, Aug 26, 2019
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  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pea won about 8 rounds. Kovalev won 7 with a KD.

    They were fights controlled and dictated mostly by 1 fighter.

    Peas best win is buddy Mcgirt.
     
    tinman, Aug 26, 2019
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  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Pea won no fewer than 9 rounds in that fight i thought he won 10 stop! If you want to play that kovalevs best win is Alvarez and mcGirt is still the better win. Pea> kovalev
     
    Pimp C, Aug 26, 2019
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  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yea he was robbed. I thought he won 8. But either way he was totally robbed. Just like Kovalev.

    If Kovalevs best win is Pascal then Whitakers best win is Buddy Mcgirt.
     
    tinman, Aug 26, 2019
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  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Stop with this madness. Every close fight isnt a robbery you already know this but are clearly trolling at this point.
     
    Pimp C, Aug 26, 2019
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  10. Bah Lance

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    Great list but Kov could easily slide in at 15 behind Harold Johnson without controversy. I would certainly rate him over Gus, who had one of the most fraudulent title reigns in the history of the division.


    And where is Joey Maxim? He has wins over Robinson, Gus, green Patterson, Mills, and the Hatchetman.
     
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  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not every close fight is a robbery you are correct. When 1 man controls and dictates the fight and scores a KD and basically everybody in the media says he was robbed then what is that.

    Pea was robbed and so was Kovalev. In their biggest fights. If Kovalev gets no credit for the ward fight then Ward isnt that great, barely HOF. And Whitaker shouldnt get credit for the Chavez fight.
     
    tinman, Aug 26, 2019
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  12. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    What you fail to mention is that ward took kovalevs heart in the rematch and proved to be superior. Pea-jcc was so one sided it wasn't worthy of a rematch. True robberies like the ones i mentioned earlier the fighter gets credit for the win.
     
    Pimp C, Aug 26, 2019
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  13. Bah Lance

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    It's hypocrisy. Kovalev should get credit for deserving the nod over Ward. Just as Pea does for Chavez.

    Too much emotional investment, not enough logic...
     
    Bah Lance, Aug 26, 2019
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  14. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    So they're 1-1?

    Both Ward and Kovalev are ATG. This who obsession with the 0 thing is bad for boxing. This whole only credit can be given during an official win thing is bad for boxing.

    If everybody must be undefeated and must have all the official wins then how does anybody ever lose? And if you have to be undefeated to be great then how can you get any credit for a win? Because by definition if you beat a fighter he now has a loss.

    Fact is if Kovalev isnt at least a HOF the Andre Ward is not ATG. Because his other top wins are Froch and Kessler. And all they did was beat each other if you want to view them pessimistic like you view Kovalev.

    If Ward isnt great then almost no active fighter should be. And if Kovalev isnt a least a 1st ballot HOF then I dont know how Ward could be classed ATG.
     
    tinman, Aug 26, 2019
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  15. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Lmfao! What win does kovalev have that is on par with froch? Hell even Kessler? Please answer this?
     
    Pimp C, Aug 26, 2019
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