Is Shane Mosley an ATG

Herman wasn't "so great", though he was a very good BW, one of the best of his day. You don't see him on many top 100 lists because he's not top 100 for one, and for two, how many top 100 lists do you see? I don't rate him above Shane, but if McGrain does, he put Shane around 180, so obviously you wouldn't see Herman that high unless you've seen many top 200 lists.

 

Are you dissapointed with my ranking of Shane? I think he's one of the top 10 fighters of our current era. Not having film of Herman and guys like that puts them on hold for me unless they have an overwhelming resume, or if I've done a fair amount of research on them.

 

Greb´s resume speaks for itself nobody can argue his greatness.who did Herman beat that was so good if you just base your choce on the fact that he was a two time bantam champ thats pretty weak.

 

Mosley took risks and he lost he fought guys nobody would fight like Forrest and Wright,Lopez didnt he never moved up to fight Carbajal or Gonzalez.Lopez looked great against subpar competition .

 

Yes. Shane Mosley is an all time great. He was a real monster at lightweight and could have mixed it up with any of the greats in that class. His first battle with De La Hoya was epic and he deserves props for always taking the toughest fights - even to his detriment. He fought both Forrest and Wright when no one else wanted to get near them with a 12 foot pole.

 

I'd agree with what you're saying, and you know how I disagree with guys of the early 1900's in head to head terms. Words are words, and can be convincing, but when footage is available, it's hard to see.

As far as Tito, no, he didn't make my top 50 at all. De La Hoya actually did though, at least on the last one I made. I am sticking to a top 35 at the moment, and am constantly revising it. I'll get to the higher numbers in time.

As far as stopping drinking, no can do, not right now. The *****? **** her.

 

ive seen most of Lopez fights and he didnt look better than the pre-Forrest Mosley.on skills Lopez probably is top 50 but if you also go by his resume he isnt.i guess we will never agree on that.

 

yup.

 

He beat Oscar by SD the first time, by 2 rounds imo, and he beat Oscar in a HIGHLY contreversial fight the second time where most think to date that Oscar should have won. What we can't ignore that he was JUICED up for the rematch so that even takes even more away from the alreadt contrevesial fight. So yeah, he beat Oscar once and got the GIFT of his life the second time.

Ok he beat Oscar in the first by 2 points in ur opinion whats wrong with that ? 2 points was basically everyones opinion coming out of that fight and it was a clear 2 points ive met noboddy who thinks DLH won or even deserved a draw. Shane Mosley was the first person to actually get a true win over Oscar. True we now know Shane was juiced in the rematch but honestly he beat Oscar the same way he did the 1st time and thats outhustled him down the stretch and Mosleys always ALWAYS been good down the stretch I dont think the Juice helped him much cause that wasnt one of Shanes more impressive victories both guys fought like **** compared to 2000. Also most pro fighters at ringside scored the bout for Mosley he was landing the clean punches.

Vargas was not even half of what he was, Collazo, solid B guy, Molina, eh, Diaz? Julio Diaz is much better but it's not going to gurantee Juan Pollo Valenzuela a spot on the ATG list, Leija, nice win sure why not.

Vargas had just clearly beat Ray Joval and Javier Castejllo within a year of the first Mosley fight and Javier and Joval are better then Shanes oppostion in Jose Cruz and David Estrada (which Shane didnt look to hot in either) heading into that fight considering Joval is top 10 currently in Ring Magazines Middleweight rankings and Castejllo scored a KO win over Felix Sturm in July 2006. Agreed Collazo solid B guy who Shane made look pretty worthless,Molina was a mutiple time World Champ,Julio Diaz your right is a better p4p fighter then Antonio Diaz in their primes but dont compare a very young and not yet accomplished Julio Diaz losing to a journeymen with Antonio Diaz coming off a hot 25 fight win streak including wins over Cory Spinks,Micky Ward,Emmanuel Augustus,Ivan Robinson,Omar Weis,James Crayton and Ahmad Santos before losing easily to Shane Mosley.

Mayorga beat Piccirilo who IMO is better than Diaz, Holliday and Collazo, and Mayorga was robbed against Spinks, not to mention he beat Forrest twice in his prime (who beat SSM twice in his prime) and also beat Vargas.

Vargas beat Winky who owns Mosley, beat Marquez, Campas, Quartey and many top contenders from Castillejo to Flores.

You have a weak case in saying Vargas and Mayorga are not ATG but Mosley is

Piccirilo is arugablly better then Antonio Diaz,Holliday,Collazo but ur talking about 1 good fighter compared to 3 others sorry bro that doesnt do much for a resume. Mayorga yes was given a raw deal in the Spinks but its not like he really out fought him just Spinks was allowed to "slip" 5 times,run away over and over agian while Mayorga was warned and deducted points. Mosley should gotten the nod over Cotto but it is what it is its still a loss on his record and Cottos alot better then Spinks and Mosley took it to Cotto the last half of the fight Mayorga did very little. You mention Vargas on Mayorgas resume but you just made urself look even more like a jackass considering u mentioned Vargas was a shell of himself when he fought Mosley well hmm ok what does that make Vargas 10 pounds and 2 brutal losses later ? Does that make him rejuvenated or something ? Ok Vargas beat Winky who owns Mosley thats cool but Mosley owns Vargas and owns ODLH who KOed a roided up Vargas and we know roids is a big deal to u. Vargas and Mosleys resume is dam close considering Mosley beat at elite fighter in Oscar twice while Vargas beat 2 elites and both have several good wins over B level fighters but guess what Mosley owned Vargas both times they fought blowing his eye up and putting him to sleep a few months later. My case is weak ? You controdicted urself like 4 times.