Is Shane Mosley an "intelligent" fighter?

Yeah 40 is very old for a welter, people are shitting on him but he has only lost to very good fighters.

Winky and forrest would have beaten floyd and pac so the fact that floyd and pac can beat an old shane doesnt mean much to me

 

to have fought the fighters he has the wins and the losses the level of his competitors the stamina he continues to have after many years in the business in one word to answer your question is shane an intelligent fighter "yes":yep:think

 

Not particularlly, Im not saying he`s thick as **** or anything but when you think of an intelligent fighter you think of a Mayweather or a Hopkins, not Mosely.

 

Against DLH I , DLH was the one taht needed to make the adjustment, not Mosley...Mosley had the better stamina and continued doing what he was doing untill Oscar slowed down and started getting beat to the punch. The first half belonged to Oscar, the second half to Shane, but it had more to do with Oscar slowling down but still trying go toe to toe with Mosley.

The 2nd DLH fight was similar in the sense that DLH slowing down was what gave Mosley a small edge in the second half. You couple that with him being roided up, and you can see that it wasn't any adjustments he made, it was just that DLH was the less fesher of the two.

Mosley didn't start countering more, or using the jab more, or using angles more, it was just Oscar doing a bit less because he was slowing down.

Had Oscar been as fresh or fresher than Mosley in both their fights, no doubt Oscar would have beat Mosley. Mosley had an illegal advantage that kept him fresher in the championship rounds.

Against Mayorga he did terrible compared to Trinidad and Oscar, and against Vargas it took him 16 rounds to really KO Vargas, a Vargas who was already completely shot to peices.

I agree with a few posters, that Mosley's speed and power carried him in his younger days and made him a phenomenol fighter, but his ring IQ is very low imo.

The only time I've seen him look intelligent in recent years was against B level Collazo, and of course Margarito.

 

I thought Oscar CLEARLY beat Mosley in the 2nd fight.

 

no

 

I did too, but the little success that Mosley found was in round 1 before DLH adapted and in round 9 and 11 when Oscar was tiring. Nothing to do with Mosley adapting.

 

I agree 100%
Thats how Cotto beat him.

 

He used to have the faster speed and stronger power vs opponents, which translates to intelligence imo.

 

Nah, not really.

I read something after one of his recent fights where he said something like the other guy had fought differently that what he'd thought, and trained for, so it had thrown him off.

I thought that if at nearly 40, and boxing for practically all your life, if you can't adjust and do something different to what you just trained for in the last 8 weeks, then there's a problem.

 

I think he is, he is just old now. I mean he has to be to get where he has. He just gets a bad rep because he gets discouraged if he gets outboxed (Forrest, Winky, PBF). Thats his biggest flaw in my eyes.

 

This is like comparing super hot models. Worse is still better than anything you can understand.

Yes he is intelligent. He is an elite world class fighter. The dude can fight. I am sure 15 years ago ANY fighter would have their hands full with him.

There are guys who adjust better. Does that invalidate his ring intelligence? No.

 

Obviously smart enough.

However, I would not say he had the ring intelligence of some of his elite contemporaries. I think one of the most cringeworthy moments in his career was after getting rocked badly by Forrest, he resorted to swinging wildly and recklessly for the fences the rest of the fight(after he recovered). Probably the least intelligent moment I have seen from him.

But like I said...smart enough.

 

My take on Shane Mosley is that he's been prone to frustration, has a poor temperament/typical slugger mentality, but that he's significantly more intelligent than lower level titlists like your somewhat crafty but nothing special Collazo type guys but has a poor Ring IQ for someone of his historical significance.

In other words, a good ring IQ, more savvy than most, but unable to match wits with the elite boxers. I think that's been demonstrated since his youth. He can out-man about anybody who wants to really brawl with him (Margarito/ODLH I/etc) but when an excellent boxer (Forest, ODLH in the second fight, Mayweather, etc) wants to play their role properly, he gets pissed and starts to not even utilize the more than respectable technical ability he has. He's physically gifted with enough to accomplish what he's accomplished despite his ring IQ limits/temperament faults.

Summing it up: He's intelligent enough, but not comparable to the elite "boxers" in that regard.