Is size an advantage?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Sep 5, 2011.


  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was thinking about this earlier today after reading an article in The Ring. It made the great point that size is only an advantage when you consider the styles aspect of it too. You can't simply match two fighters and whoever is bigger, give them the advantage because whilst normal convention says that a bigger fighter is going to be harder to beat, if a short opponent knows how to use their size as an advantage for them, it does even it up. Who is at an advantage if a big fighter is fighting tall and a short fighter is fighting short? Nobody and the winner should be decided by who is more skilled at fighting their own fight.

    As for weight, there is a limit in boxing. In the lighter weights, you rarely see an unconquerable weight difference and, yet again, it comes down to styles. Pacquiao gave up a heavyweight-esque 17lbs against Margarito and probably over 20lbs against Clottey and yet he was able to win all 24 rounds against those two. Why? It's not simply because Pacquiao is the better fighter, it's because his attributes allow for him to fight at a disadvantage. When you consider how a welterweight can give up 20lbs in weight on fight night and yet still use that to his advantage, it shows how flawed and over simplistic this argument about size is.

    Size is, quite simply, only an asset providing a fighter knows how to use it. Sergio Martinez could outweigh his opponent by 15lbs and yet it wouldn't matter from a styles viewpoint because Martinez doesn't use his size with the style he has.

    The only way size does matter, is in regards to punching power but there is a limit to that as well. The biggest punches in history all weight between 210-230lbs and anything below will rarely have the strength behind it and anything above, will rarely have the speed, not to mention technique. People always talk about "power" and yet power is speed x strength, so a fighter who has one and not the other isn't likely to be a puncher. All those people who want to plainly look at size and assume it relates to power, should consider the fact that Valuev really wasn't a puncher himself and as the biggest heavyweight champion in history, he should, if the theory is right, have at least had considerable power. The problem with Valuev is the same as most huge heavyweights, they lack both the speed and technique. Size does not equate to power.

    If you have a fighter who knows how to be the smaller man, he is at no disadvantage against a bigger opponent who fights tall and long. To emphasize size over and over again, oversimplifies a complex sport. Fights aren't won at the Tale Of The Tape and no matter how big fighters get, fights will always be decided by skills and not size alone.
     
  2. sir axeman

    sir axeman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You make some good points..but size when we're talking extremes usually makes a big difference! There are weight classes for a reason! And a very good reason at that!! I mean a heavyweight vs a welterweight for example? If the heavyweights a decent skilled fighter with an even average chin on him he should be able to take the welterweights punches all night...were 1 good shot off the heavy will spell the end. Of course i'm not talking some lard bucket heavy off the street vs a good in shape welterweight boxer..but like for like!

    Tyson was short and as you said, was able to make his shortness work for him against the bigger men he always fought against...but he had KO power in both hands and was FAST! Speed kills thats very true.
     
  3. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    speed > size , but when your dealing with a physical sport like boxing, size always matters. You'll feel it in the punches, clinch, etc.
     
  4. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    It can be a MENTAL ADVANTAGE...Depends who u fighting!
     
  5. miguel2010

    miguel2010 His hands are his weapons Full Member

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  6. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It depends. All else being equal, or near equal, size is an advantage.
     
  7. Englund

    Englund Warrior Full Member

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    It all depends on how you fight. A guy like Wlad could not fight like Tyson. A guy like Tyson could not fight like Wlad. If you know how to use your height and reach, it does become an advantage for you. There are things smaller fighters can do to take height advantages away from taller guys. It pretty much boils back down to the styles make fights adage.
     
  8. bandido

    bandido The Black Bandit Full Member

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    I'd seriously ask Leon about this. He says that Floyd has a 2-inch advantage over Martinez and size matters in this case.
     
  9. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe it's more than just styles and actually slides into the path of mentality as well.

    Some can deal with any event at any time while some fail to rise to the occasion because in the end if there is war, one side typically wins.

    The reality is not all the way known, but I will say that the physicality of your opponent will wear on you and often force you to go in to plan B, if of course your opponent is not only larger, but can equally fight.

    In this scenario, they may continue with what brought them success, usually with a quick charge in attempt to boast their opponent into respecting them, and potentially mentally weakening them, and providing a tunnel of hopelessness if not given the proper light.

    However, if they cannot adapt or in some way are stricken of their ability to replicate their performance, they small man can take advantage, or in some cases, the small man can outright attack and impose their physicality on their opponent.

    It just depends...

    And that situation may or may not arrise at any predictable time because it is not our burden to bear.

    I'll leave it at that, but anything is subject to opinion, the key is determining reals for unreals and the actions there upon taken.
     
  10. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Talking about Wlad and Tyson, I don't think either would have a size advantage if they fought. It would be a styles clash, absolutely, and I don't think either has the edge based on numbers alone.
     
  11. horst

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    Yes, size is an advantage. You take two fighters of the exact same skillset and attributes, but make one heavier, taller and with a longer reach, and the fight will not be even. A weight advantage can mean an advantage in power and in the ability to absorb a shot, as well as strength in the clinch. Height often makes you harder to hit, and a longer reach is especially advantageous to fighters who use their jabs and fight on the outside.

    The fact that some special fighters make a mockery of size disadvantages should never obscure the pretty simple fact that yes, of course size is an advantage.
     
  12. Englund

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    Exactly. Wlad vs. Patterson would be a size advantage for Wlad because Wlad uses his size and Patterson doesn't.
     
  13. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Like any attribute, it depends how you use it.

    If you're bigger than anyone you'll face, fight tall.
    If you're short, get inside.

    That's why Paul Williams was so damn frustrating.
     
  14. bachatu

    bachatu Pro Full Member

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    yes, shrink tall fighters with their exact skill set to average size and imagine how successful they would be. would majority be as successful?