Is Stanley Ketchel underrated?

Jones was 40 against Green, Ketchel 22 against Papke… see the difference?

Do you really think, that if we had other films of Ketchel to study, a totally different boxer would be revealed - someone not resembling the man who fought Papke at all?

And what is it exactly about my (and other's) opinion that bugs you so much?

 

Did Jones fight 18 times in the same year as a teen? Hmm... since Jones never fought pro as a teen, I'd have to say no to that one!

Why are you asking silly questions like that? Why not instead explain to me, why you are so offended by my opinion?

 

Roy probably fought 30 or 40 times or more in a year as a teen in the amateurs.

 

Ketchel contracted syphilis and was a devotee of the opium pipe, he was past prime when he was killed ,its generally accepted the film of him and Papke shows Stanley in one of his poorest performances .

 

Yes, I'm well aware of this.

What I'm trying to say, is that I would be very surprised, if film of some of his better fights were found - and we would then suddenly see a completely different fighter, from the one we watch against Papke. Someone we would barely be able to recognize.

Every fighter can have an off night, turning in a sub-par performance. Like when Jones went back down to LH after the Ruiz fight. Definitely not one of his better performances! But we could still see it was him. He still boxed the same way - though not as brilliantly, as we had become accustomed to.

Let's say Ketchel was at his worst against Papke… how different would he look at his best? Would he box in another style, that would make it difficult for us to see, that it's the same fighter? I strongly doubt that.

Now I am of course also aware, that infighting played a much larger part back then. And that he was probably one of the best at this. And if rushing into each other over and over again, followed by endless pushing and showing for round after round, was what it took to be the best 100+ years ago, so be it! I'm simply not impressed.

 

Ketchel was agressive. He could hit, and he was wild, but come on. Anyone who watches either of his films can see he had zero defense, swung wildly like a tough man.

Looking over his ring record its full of light marks, some of which he lost. A guy named Kid Lee KO'd him.

 

To be fair, Ketchel was 18 at the time and claimed to have been blinded by smelling salts. If you are at all familiar with the goings on of the Butte red light district in 1906- and Ketchel was up to his neck in it- the claim is not farfetched.

 

"Nov 8 "Montana" Kid Lee Lewistown, Mt LT 8 -Ketchel's cornermen got smelling salts into his eyes between rounds; He could not see; The fight was stopped "

After being exposed on the Hagler Minter thread ,you would think Mendoza would take the trouble to look beyond Box rec,obviously not!