Is Steve Collins greater than Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank?

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I think Eubank was something special in skill. Excellent chin, above average power, good boxing ability; a complete fighter. I think he beats Collins in his prime. He seemed to lose a lot after Watson. Would love to see a confindent, ****y Eubank get under Hagler"s skin and fight him. Does he psych Marvin out as Roberto and Ray did? A good chance. Especially in Great Britain.

 

Steve was a Tough Tenacious Warrior for Sure, But was perhaps a bit One Dimensional to upset the True Cream of the crop ...in their Prime,
Eubank floored Steve, And probably could have finished the Job had he really Cut Loose, But Post the Mike Watson Fight Chris was Understandably reluctant to do this, Nigel of course was never going to be the same after that Incredible and Prolonged Shoot-out with the G-Man, Physiologically Perhaps, But Certainly Physically,

I would not Favour Steve to Beat either Chris or Nigel at their Best, Middle or Supermiddle, But i have Little doubt he would put up a very Brave Showing, But in Top Class he would not be able to Drag Versatile performers into the Simplistic Trench Warfare that he Excelled At

Steve Vs Ray Close or Henry Wharton would of been Very Interesting
But Chris and Nigel are a Step above i feel. Close but No Cigar..But Perhaps a well deserved Pint of Guinness.

 

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Collins could box, as shown against Thornton and Pyatt.

What Benn did against McClellan, and Eubank did against Watson, was as great as it gets.

 

Eubanks doesn't beat Hagler ,he liked to take breathers in fights and box at his own pace Marvin would be on him from the first bell.Eubanks beats Collins if both were prime.

 

Eubank also struggled with loose southpaws. Though Hagler isn't especially loose.

 

No. He beat them when they were past their primes and he was still in his. I think they both have better overall resumes than Collins.

 

His wins over Eubank carry more weight than the victories over Benn.

Benn was a shot fighter after G-Man bout.Collins just cleaned up the left overs.

Eubank wasn't shot, but he was having serious trouble making weight and had been inconsistent for years because of it, especially when added to his very busy schedule.

He should have moved to 175 no later than after the Benn rematch, where he was already struggling.The performance he gave in the first Collins fight was actually one of his best in years imo, and not that far off from how a prime vs prime bout would go imo.

It was a fight i personally thought he did enough to win.But for once he didn't get things his way in a close bout.

The second fight he looked terrible and Collins fought in an outright swarming fashion which was new to him and ideally suited to taking advantage of the drained Eubank.I don't put much stock into this fight in terms of how a fight with both at best would go, but it was a solid win for Steve considering how dominant he was.

He did better than Calzaghe did against an even further drained and past it at 168 Eubank.

imo Eubank ruined his longevity by staying so long at 168.he would have been ideally suited to 175.Then when he finally does move up, he stupidly goes as far as cruiser.

 

I do not think the victories were too far in the twilight at all. Benn was a SMW world champ who lost a debateable SD to a world class SMW who would go on to win a SMW title after this, so I dont think he was shot like people like to say.
With Eubank, he was an undefeated SMW world champ and Collins was coming up from MW, so I dont think Eubank was past best, but I do think that after such a busy schedule, may have been fatigued.
As for greater? Collins had some very good SMW wins. The Eubank win is possibly the best SMW win ever. Then the return was very impressive. the two Benn wins were also good.
The Seillier win was also a good win and there was nothing wrong with the other wins he had.
I guess at SMW, although not as popular but with the 2 Eubank wins and the two Benn wins, Collins would likely be rated above Benn at SMW, even though I rate Benn very highly, but I think the overall work Eubank did, puts him above Collins. Eubanks SMW resume is highly impressive and I think 2nd only to Calzaghes and arguably above Ottkes. The overall wins Eubank has over Malinga, Rocchigiani, Holmes, Watson, Wharton etc, I would at SMW rate them Eubank, Collins and Benn, but that doesnt mean that Eubank would have beaten Collins, just his overall work, and I do think that a non fatigued Eubank would have beaten Collins, but we will never know

 

Collins was 4-0 against them and they are all similiar in age, Eubank is two years younger. Obviously they all had different career arcs and varying degrees of mileage on the odometer when they met but I wouldn't write off Collins against either man prime for prime. Three warriors that are all pretty equal to me.

 

Eubank was very good and had an excellent chin but he wasn't "something special", he could be and was outboxed in his career.

 

No, both are greater than Collins. Those fights took place when Benn and Eubank were past their best.