Is Sugar Ray Leonard, A Top Ten ATG Fighter?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Apr 29, 2022.

  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    In people's lists of great fighters, is it out of the question to have SRL in the highest 10?
    Does anyone on here have him that high or thereabouts?
  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jan 14, 2022
    His career was too short and not enough longevity for me to be ranked top 10, although he has 4 stellar wins his career as a whole doesn't have enough padding to it in my personal opinion.

    I don't know where i'd rank him personally, as i've never been into making lists ranking fighters. But somewhere in the top 25 sounds reasonably.
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  3. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

    Dec 21, 2016
    only if you don't think there were 10, 20 or even 100 better than him from Every Division & Every Decade over the last 150 years...

    he is definitely a Great and AMONG ATG Fighters... where in a list would he place, who the hell knows!
  4. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 23, 2019
    Close but not quite. I have him just under Hearns at 13.
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    Easily could be. But not for me.
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  6. Fogger

    Fogger Well-Known Member Full Member

    Aug 9, 2021
    It certainly isn't out of the question for Leonard to be ranked in the top ten. He has a lot of great wins and no bad losses. (until he was old). However, I don't think he's there. He didn't fight enough at the elite level and his resume severely lacks title defenses. When we are talking about all time top ten in a sport that is well more than a century old, a fighter needs a complete resume to be considered that highly.

    I would have Ray in my top 25, however. His wins are that good.
  7. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Active Member Full Member

    Mar 19, 2021
    no. maybe top 40 though

    Wins over prime Curry, Pryor, Michael Nunn would have elevated his standing exponentially
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019

    He falls just short for mine.
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  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    I think he has the best resume for someone with 40 or fewer fights. Is it enough to make the top 10 p4p ? Kind of a stretch. Awesome fighter and great public personality though
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  10. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 27, 2005
    10-20 would be fair.
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  11. Balder

    Balder Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    Nov 10, 2012
    30 to 40 range would be generous.

    He is an ATG., but after he was beaten by Duran he just fought cautious and cunning.

    Plus he has too few fights and title defenses as was mentioned before.
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  12. 88Chris05

    88Chris05 Active Member Full Member

    Aug 20, 2013
    On the cusp. I've had him anywhere between roughly 8 and 12 over the years. Depends on your criteria, but the quality of his elite few wins are outstanding and despite having relatively few fights compared to others competing for those spots, you can't say he didn't prove himself in just about every way, or that he doesn't pass the eye test with flying colours.
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  13. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 4, 2008
    Tough one. SRR and Armstrong are above him. Probably Langford and Greb as well, but less versed in their achievements, so wouldn't say anything definite. Fitz as a p4p force? The more near the infancy of modern boxing the harder it gets to compare imo, but you can probably make the claim based on his p4p exploits. Pep? Probably, yes. Depends on how much you factor in his struggles with Saddler.

    So that's six. I think Ali and Louis also have a case based on their extraordinary domination of their division. A case can probably be made for RJJ, Pac and Mayweather as well, but then it gets harder imo. And since the cases for these guys aren't a given for many I can see him in the top 10.

    Let's not forget that besides his four top wins he also has a number of solid ones over the likes pf Shields, Ranzany, Kalule etc. He beat a fair number of contenders even though he fought relatively sparsely all in all.
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  14. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

    Mar 24, 2019
    That is my view as well
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  15. Blaxx

    Blaxx Member Full Member

    Feb 8, 2018
    Anywhere from 7-15 is fair IMO.