Is Sugar Ray Leonard, A Top Ten ATG Fighter?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Good post.
     
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  2. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Some very good and thought through posts on the thread ... talent wise and performance wise I can say possibly yes but as noted the shortage of fights is not the best ..
     
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  3. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Damn, Mr. Magoo, you make a great point

    I too think he has the best resume for a fighter with 40 fights or less

    I wont mention the Norris fight but instead bring up his PLUSSES such as Andres Aldama, Benitez, Duran, Hearns, Kalule

    He was getting there!

    People too forget his contributions to the world of color commentary. Very underrated

    Am I a nice guy or what!
     
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  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I always see the Norris fight, as the same as Louis v Charles. Still good enough to see the end, but no chance at all of winning.
     
  5. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Leonard was hugely favored to win. He hadnt lost a fight in 11 years

    You couldnt find a sportswriter picking him to lose

    The writers just didnt realize how fast Norris was. And he was dangerous which made him a double threat on offense

    Add to that, he had no holes in his defense.
     
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  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    He was around a 3-1 favourite I think.
    They looked at the Jackson v Norris fight and saw Leonard nailing him and doing the same thing.
    Thing is, I don't see Sugar beating anyone world class by then. He was slipping by the time he faced Hearns.
     
  7. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If he had another 15-20 wins against good competition to go along
    with his wins against the fighters he beat. It would be
    without question he deserved to be. But he fails the longevity
    question. In my opinion he's right outside the top ten.
    But as far competition goes and who he beat, and when
    he beat them , their is no question he deserved to be.
     
  8. Mike Cannon

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    Agreed, also would have Duran, Leonard, JCC, above him, so would put him just outside the top 12/15 on balance. stay safe guys.
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't know If I have seen JCC talked about being so high before, but the guy had a great career. A bit the opposite to Leonard's in that there weren't those kind of legendary wins, but a long time of dominance.

    No Mas puts Duran back a few places and behind SRL imo, but Benny Leonard certainly has a case.
     
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  10. ChrisJS

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    Talent, skill, big fight performances and head to head, for me, he’s unquestionably top 10 but lack of a long reign perhaps keep him just outside the top 10. I know, Langford never had a reign, but comparatively, Leonard had far fewer bouts.
     
  11. salsanchezfan

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    Can't put him that high, though he probably ranks about the highest for somebody with so few fights. Never made any real list worth any scrutiny but somewhere around 30-40 sounds about right.
     
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  12. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Agreed.
     
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  13. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think Norris is necessarily that much better than him but I think he has the perfect style to beat him every time

    10/10 either by lopsided decision or tko

    154 was just right for the Norris fight. He was struggling with a faded hearns for two reasons; one is Tommy's height and two, 168 is too high a weight for Leonard who doesnt have the frame for it

    He was much better and faster for the Norris fight
     
  14. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    sounds good SSF. Too many people ahead of him
     
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  15. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    No.
    He had the ability to perhaps contend for that rare air. You could say he was on his way until that eye injury derailed his career along with substance abuse.
    His comeback was smoke and mirrors. He did fight a tough smart fight vs Hagler but overall he was a part time boxer picking his spots. By his early 30s he could no longer compete with the top fighters in the division. He didn't even try to honestly.
     
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