Is Sugar Ray Leonard overrated?

the Hagler Ray beat was a piece of leftovers that any of the other middleweights would have had a field day with including Hamsho, Hearns, Sibson, Obel, Roldan, most of whom would have rendered him un****scious. Robinson himself? Are you kidding me? Robinson vs 1987 Hagler would have ripped into him with endless combinations until he disintegrated the helpless defenseless in his last fight Hagler, was rescued by the refereee - similar to what happened in the last fight with Lamotta. The man simply had no reflexes, no legs, punch, no legs, no offense, no teeth and was slow and hittable. The Hagler of 1987 was a joke in comparison with the earlier model. as one poster put it "Hagler was more shot than JFK"

as for Leonard's standing as a welter, I have him top ten but he wouldnt beat Napoles. I seen both and Jose wouldve taken him

 

How do you think SRR would handle El Torito and Norris at 154 and "The Animal" Fletcher at 160 Red? All three at their peak of course.

 

So you're saying Terry Norris was faster than Hearns and Duran and was better than Ray Leonard ?

 

How about some logic and fact .. he had just taken the biggest bombs of Mugabi and not budged nor lost a fight in ten years and still dominated .. your actually saying Hamsho and the others would have rendered him unconcious ? The same Hagler that was never hurt in his whole career ?I honestly don't think you're serious. Now let's not say a prime Robinson but the Robinson that came back from a two year hiatus, opposed to Leonard's five year hiatus to fight Hagler ? The same Robinson that got beat up by journeyman Tiger Jones after his layoff ?

Your arguments reak of emotion over knowledge or perspective. Do some homework.

 

Terry was faster with his hook which caught Ray from the blind side and also underneath when he caught Ray coming up with in the third. These are shots that Ray could never prepare for, which is why he was beaten early in the fight

Terry was also faster moving in and out which he smartly employed against Leonard which is why he never had a chance as opposed to the stiff, one dimensional plodders he was used to getting including 1987 Hagler in which they just walk straight in and Ray would simply move over to one side then belt him

He couldnt do that with Terry. Instead of Ray causing Terry to make mistakes, it was Terry who made RAY move the way HE wanted

hell yeah! yeah yeah yeah!

Hearns at the time was athletic but who had he beaten besdies Pipino?

He was an all offense fighter with a subpar defense, certainly not the well balanced offense/defense all around fighter Terry was, smartly employing the kind of strategy Terry did

That's why Terry was successful against Ray and Tommy was KO BY 14'd by the same guy!

 

How about answering the question ? Are you saying that you think Terry Norris was a better fighter than Ray Leonard head to head ?

 

Remember, we're talking about hagler in his last fight or maybe you still don't realize that?

He was a shell after Hearns & Mugabi and before that throughout all of 1984, after the Roldan fight, was heavily rumored to be nearing the end of his career

That is FACT

If you have no teeth, no reflexes, no punch, no speed, what do you have left?

With what are you going to beat your opponents back with???

Hagler looked like he could barely hold his hands up to defend himself and so cries of fix were commonplace

so the likes of Sibson, Roldan, etc etc, would have had a field day with Marvin, and that goes for Robinson, Fullmer, Olson, Turpin, Norris, Jones and every other Tom, **** and Harry

Why do you think Ray came running after him for? Guys like him and Dundee are smart; they know when and when NOT to fight someone they know is better than themselves

 

HELL YEAH he was better!

does kicking your ass every round 12/12 not answer that question? What am I SUPPOSED to say, that the loser is really the better man? what kind of logic is that???

You should be embarassed for even ASKING that!

 

So by your logic Paul Pender was better than Ray Robinson since age eyesight and styles have no factor in bouts .. Hagler was faded against Leonard but Leonard was not faded against a prime Norris?

I guess Leon Spinks was better than Ali too right ? Charles way better at heavyweight than Joe Louis, James Toney better than Holyfield, Danny Williams and McBride much better than Tyson and so on ? I see your logic. :deal

 

wait, you still havent answered MY question. what was wrong with Leonard going into the Norris fight? It's almost as if you deliberately looked over what I've said about that fight, the comments made by Ryan, Farhood, and his performance

and how does 35 bouts that leonard had, equate to the 200 bouts that Robinson had?

look at you now, you're a mess

 

how can a man who just demostrated that his legs were in perfect working order, TOYINg with Duran, NOT letting his back touch the ropes and scarecely getting hit (unless you want to count the one punch that Duran landed ) translate into a tired Ali falling to Spinks, a tired out Louis, dropping a points loss to Charles, etc

the man only HAD 38 bouts!

HELLO!! Can you COUNT?

 

No, the man can't count. He still thinks Leonard had 200 fights

 

No need for personal attacks .. they don't mask your lack of knowledge. Try reading opposed to blabbing ... keep going w your last word freak need factor .. you've become boring and are not really worth responding to again.

 

forgive me. I am scum

 

Are you ignoring your old sparring partner

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I am disappoint!