Is Sugar Ray Leonard the complete boxer?

Dave's Top Ten · Feb 3, 2009

Stonehands89 said: ↑

Obviously those three fighters were before Marvin's prime... and obviously you have to go back that far to find blemishes on his record. You offered a list of assets that you see as liable to beat Hagler. The problem is, those assets you offered would beat anyone -so they are worthless. Thus the Zeus comment. The other problem is that there is precedent for fighters with significantly less than the conqueror you imagine who were still able to beat Marvin in the mid-70s.

To summarize, lesser fighters than Hearns did give Hagler some problems -and you can throw Antuofermo as late as 1979.

I asked if you agree that Marvin couldn't outbox Hearns.

...but that wasn't the point. The point was that Marvin would have to get inside and if Hearns worked at the range best for him, that isn't as easy as you pretend. Again, you see it as a foregone conclusion that Hagler will do what he did in "the War" only in 5 or 6 rounds. I don't see it that way. Hearns greatest weakness wasn't his chin or his durability, it was his stugots.

Had Hearns never fought Duran, I think it likely that he would have done what he should have done on Hagler, which is play matador and box him, and make him pay with the rushes.

Could Hagler have got to him anyway midway through the fight? It is possible! Could Hearns have done well enough from the outside over 12 rounds (more of a chance there than 15) to keep him at bay and take a decision in 1985? That is possible as well.
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Enjoy the last word. You earned it ! :good

rodney · Feb 3, 2009

Robbi said: ↑

Whatever.

Body punching isn't all about power. The end results of someone falling to the canvas just highlights the power to a certain degree. Whitaker was a very good puncher to the body, yet had powder puff power.
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Wrong.
Effective body punching is exactly about power.
Champions and contenders are suppose to be in great shape, especially a well conditioned midsection.
You will not break them down with noisy slaps to the body.
Sound effects may impress much of the audience, but not fighters who have been there.

Bokaj · Feb 4, 2009

Stonehands89 said: ↑

Duran was being Duran. It wasn't "tactics" -it was the beast in him. Duran couldn't spell 'tactics'.
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You're probably right about that.

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