Is sugar Ray Leonard the greatest welterweight?

Defense. Leonard in general was more elusive than Robinson. He more or less matches Robinson in terms of hand speed, too. He didn't have SRR's power, but he hit hard enough in his own right to keep Robinson from going all out.

I think this is a pretty tight match-up; and I honestly think Leonard takes one of three from Robinson in a three fight series.

 

As an addendum: I would like to note that the I also believe that the WW incarnation of Armstrong could do the same thing that Duran and take at least one fight from Leonard. It's part of the reason why I rate him #2 AT at WW.

 

I've been meaning to ask, Drew who's in your avatar?

 

Genero Hernandez. :good

A more important question to ask is who is in your avatar?:hey

 

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Brazilian model.

Her name escapes me..

 

DId you ever see Ray Robinson on film as a welterweight ? Everything Leonard could do Robinson could do better and Robby hit much harder, fought 200 bouts, four times as many as Leonard who was a shot fighter
after 45 or so bouts...To compare Leonard [who was great ] to a Ray Robinson talent wise or career length, is not fair to Ray Leonard,who in an interview agreed that SRR was the BEST...No way a 12-15 pound lighter Leonard beats the PRIME MW Jake LaMotta 4 times...:hi:

 

No -- and frankly, it's not even close. Leonard a great fighter in his own right, doesn't compare to Sugar Ray Robinson.

Even Henry Armstrong did some great things at Welterweight.

Why is this even a discussion?

 

Robinson beat Gavilan (who in some ways, Leonard resembled) twice. Albeit, both fights were close.

Who did Leonard beat which resembled the pugilistic perfection that was Sugar Ray Robinson?

 

Well, he proved he could handle a variety of different styles, from the tall ranger quick-fisted banger (Hearns) to the superlative defensive wizard (Benitez). And SRR could be troubled by smooth, slick counter-puncher types if he failed to take them out early (Servo, Dykes, and Gavilan were examples of this).

Leonard had a nice blend of speed, skill and power, and his defense was better than SRR's (though SRR's D wasn't porous by any means). That means he's got a chance against anyone; even Robinson.

 

I agree.

 

Yeah, I can't see Pryor winning at all myself either. He needed a "pick-me-up" to get past an Arguello who was fighting above his best weight. Here he would be fighting above his best weight, and if he takes those same rights from Leonard (which I belive he would) I can't see him making it.

 

Hearns is pretty similar to Robinson. Chinnier and more vulnerable on the inside, yes, but also more powerful and with a very clear edge in height and reach. Even more devastating on the outside, I'd say. Could quite possibly be the p4p most dangerous on the outside in the history of the sport at WW.

And the outside and is where Robinson also should try and keep the fight for the majority. In close I think Leonard's superior strength prevails.