Is Sugar Ray Leonard The Most Complete Fighter Ever

So peak Tyson was outdated by mid-90s standards, got it.

 

He really was and was facing real skilled opponents unlike how they act like srr and l did which they didn't

 

my grounds as I said are on video I don’t need anything else,I don't care about if you don't take video as evidence it's all I care about,which as I said to none of the people you picked fought anybody similar to the people you picked them to beat which makes you words nonlogical, so that makes you for a fact wrong cause as you said its opinion which i don't care of.

Joe Louis stops Evander Holyfield. Lennox Lewis, and Wlad Klitschko even at their respective peaks.,he fought nobody close to the leagues of these legends, none at all louis would be destroyed by all these guys fast they all were way more skilled then he ever seen and him himself ever was,Joe's style looks trash compared to these men every one of them,the best person joe fought was conn and he made joe look bad so why would if he made joe look bad why would you say people who was way more fluid and way more skilled then conn, and say that joe would beat these legends that makes no sense at all

And if you said joe would beat these men that implies that they are on the same level or inferior to conn which they wasn't as I explained so as I say agian what you said makes no sense at all

Prime Larry Holmes beats Bowe and Lewis and prime Iron Mike.,Larry was out of date and would be hit with combos from bowe the best inside hw fighter of all time/lennox the best hw outboxer of all time would ko Larry to,agian his style was more updated then Joe's but still outdated to the best bowe and lennox they would have no trouble dealing with Larry

Ali's style didn't work good in 80s with copycats even though they were more advanced,Ali clinched alot,bounced to much which joe/cooper begin to be able to read and countered him easy,had hands down low often,used head movement but not the way modern used it which was head/blocking with hands,

,so no your or anybody else's opinions matters when it comes to old vs new with me as I said 4th time now, all of this is fact on video,opinions can't go over video evidence from which I seen and dissected every detail as correct as told to you in this post..

 

My post made perfect sense; it seems you cannot understand the basic things I am saying.
I KNOW you say SRR would lose-& that supports my point that you invariably support the more recent fighters.
Even when nobody agrees with you & we adjust for in-ring weight, no matter how good a guy was, how tough or how often he fought...
Unable to ever listen to great arguments, nor admit when you even might be wrong.

Like SRR, who even before winning & regaining the MW belts was at one point 122-1-2: only having lost once for years, & that to a fighter 16 lbs. & technically 2 divisions in today's terms heavier than him. Avenging that battle 5 of 5 times.

Without decent reasoning-your bias is invariable. Supported by merely vague feelings that they are more "modern".
Referencing video with hardly any specifics.

Edit: above you finally list some particulars, but cherry-pick & seem unable to grasp something basic like Ali imitators were not as good as him.
That many folks USED the so-called advanced techniques you reference forever.
That Ali was unusual in not doing so because his physical abilities & style allowed him to make a virtue of eschewing much conventional wisdom.


Why did you change your identity a few times, last as so many will recall you were "Money the Man"?
Because of many bannings, or there was a permanent ban?

 

Please show me specific video evidence that you feel bears this out. I'm obviously stupid.

 

Mayweather and Shakur at 130 were/are more complete.

 

Depending on how you define " complete" I would say Sugar Ray Leonard is the most complete. I may be biased because he is my favourite boxer (jointly with Joe Frazier!). Leonard has a outstanding career as a amateur culminating in the winning of a gold medal at the 1976 Olympics he was a 5 weight world champion. He fought the best of his contemporaries. As a person I disliked how he behaved during his hiatus and the way he embarrassed Marvellous Marvin Hagler in his initial retirement was out of order. However he had redemptive qualities he came back from alcohol (although much later) and substance abuse. He spoke candidly about the sexual abuse he experienced and gave a lot of motivational talks to people. His skill set was very much complete he had flair, speed and right cross , right uppercut and left hook that he used to devastating effect and he could competently work the body too.

 

I would say if I was him
wouldn't I ? I would be speaking the same as him wouldn't I ?,from what I seen of him is very insulting/uptight/doesn't use punctuations and he provides video/uses certain quotes as his evidence,i do the opposite of all those things,just cause you seem to see some things similar doesn't mean I'm the same person,other people speak similar to others it's the way of life,

i explained why I said srr would lose to mutiple people after his era and explained Ali upgraded style of his would lose to lots to cause those styles are just outdated/way to flawed,if you say srr and ali aren't outdated styles can you name the person who fought exactly like those 2 and made it to the top either mid/high carder?,cause I can't cause it doesn't exist since 70s,and I haven't seen anybody who made it like srr since his time,and no I don't just support cause its new i support newer when the fighter shows a big difference in fluidity and skill..

Example I can walk into a gym and ask to fight like ali/srr will they teach me that?,sure but exact no why?,cause they are out of date styles as I explained mutiple flaws/to simple as I said the ali exact style died in 80s, as I explained had ali knockoffs but were they the top guy ?,no they never found the same success cause boxers have become more up to date it became more skilled,is any of this untrue?

 

Don't care. Leonard didn't have the same skill level and his power is fine.

 

I'll agree Mayweather Jr. Was special at 130, he looked like he could and would be dominant at the weight. He was .
But his very best opponent at jr. Lightweight were Jesus Chavez , Herrera and Corrales. 3 very good fighters but not great. Those fighters wasn't on the level of Duran, Hearns or Benitez .
Mayweather Jr. Never faced a great fighter when they were actually great. He actually avoided the best competition as he went up in weight.
So he may have LOOKED more complete than Leonard. But unlike Leonard he never faced anyone who could actually push him.
We don't know what he would've done if he was forced to come from behind. If he was forced to fight with one eye. Got beat up the first 7-8 rds of a fight. We know what Leonard did.
They are other aspects of boxing like fighting through adversity, changing tactics in the heat of combat, heart, that are just as important as skills, talent, and physical ability.
Shakur isn't on the level of either of those fighters and haven't proved anything.
He shouldn't be mention in the same breath as Leonard or Mayweather Jr.

 

I agree, I was mainly talking about Nunn.

 

It is.

 

Oh no.

 

Do you feel your stupid for the stuff you said?, going off of opinions made up from your mind? I would feel stupid to if that's what you feel,.. cause it does seem odd that you said all out of date styles/inferior skilled fighters would beat more skilled/fluid fighters..,would money call you stupid is that why you said that cause your implying im him.. he speaks nothing like me and is insulting I don't insult people here I just speak my point