Is the boxer Bob Fitzsimmons British or Australian?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by for0312za, Mar 3, 2012.


  1. for0312za

    for0312za Guest

    I have made a thread here where I state that Calzaghe is the greatest European of all time. I still stand by that. Several names came up to contest my claim.

    One of them was Fitzsimmons. Now Fitzsimmons was clearly a greater fighter than Calzaghe. However he was not European. He was in fact Australian. I can't help but think that each of the posters who mentioned his name was a soap dodging pom! Do the British actually have a legitimate claim to his being one of their own?
     
  2. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    And I thought he was irish.
     
  3. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    So him being born in the UK and both of his parents being born in the UK = he's Autralian?
     
  4. DJAdAmS

    DJAdAmS Ex-Army Middleweight Full Member

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    Another passport warrior, who gives a ****, great fighter though!!!
     
  5. HeGlassedMe

    HeGlassedMe ufc is the new pet rock Full Member

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    Fitzsimmons? Sounds Japanese.
     
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  6. bartkiwi

    bartkiwi Member Full Member

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    Was it not New Zealand he was raised in?
     
  7. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    Aha, got it. Thanks mate, I was thinking of something around Mongolian or thai.
     
  8. godlikerich

    godlikerich Active Member Full Member

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    He was born in England, his mother was English and his father was Irish. Then He started boxing in New Zealand and then in Australia, before finally fighting in the US. He was born in Cornwall so he is British.
     
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  9. BigBopper

    BigBopper Active Member Full Member

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    Even though he grew up in New Zealand on a technically I don't think we can claim him even though we do. At that stage everyone in New Zealand held British passports and were British citizens. It was not until 1948 that a New Zealand passport and citizenship was introduced.

    I am not sure there is much claim to being Australian at all.

    Being a kiwi I like to think of him as a New Zealander as I think the lifestyle and the formative years he spent here helped shape him. There is the fact he technically couldn't have been a New Zealander even if he wanted. So I won't argue with anyone saying he was British. He was born there.
     
  10. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed. It seems bizarre that the TS refers to him being "in fact Australian", when the criteria for being such wasn't strictly defined at that point (how can it be a 'fact' if there was no definition of what the term was at the time?!?)

    Not to mention that his parents were from the UK (though his father was Irish rather than British), he was raised in New Zealand, and was an American citizen by the height of his career, where he stayed until his death.

    I don't think any country can definitively claim him as soley being theirs, but all four have a partial claim.

    Anyway, Fitz himself doesn't seem too bothered about what nationality he was, so it's a bit pointless having too strong an opinion about it either way.