Is the drilling of the fundamentals...

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  1. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's not wrong at all because his career has been longer than 18 months now hasnt it ... In Fury 1 , he looked exactly how Flash described a dog **** fighter who cant fight ... and if you dont believe that .. then go watch the post fight interview and he will tell you ,, I fight like **** .. Tryin to land a telegraphed rt bomb all night from the outside, and following it up with a sloppy off balance left hook ,,, is exactly that, LACK OF SKILLS ..and where was the improvement in Fury 2, ? go watch the Lewis video of him trying to show Wilder how to throw a proper jab ,, he couldnt grasp it .. If he has improved immensely in 18 months ,, then good for him .. but before that .. his skills were **** ..
     
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  2. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    2 boxers who come to mind about fundamentals are Hopkins and MCcallum.
    Both were soild in fundamentals and were able to fight well into thier forties and were successful.
    Fundamentals are really taught too much - now its reflexes which overcome lack of fundamentals.
    Went to a boxing gym and watched a bunch of kids training and all were doing the Mayweather shoulder roll.
    And while you can do the shoulder roll on occasion you shouldn't rely on it as a primary means of defense as it is alot more reflex then you think and more importantly it takes years to perfect.
    Years ago in the gyms the popular move to try was the Roy Jones lead left hook thrown from the outside.
    That move is pretty much all based on how fast your reflexes are and to get away with that you really have to have fast reflexes.
     
  3. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    A lot of people spend time on fundamentals that they think that they have reinvented or improved, or their eye for detail is lacking, or they don't understand the most fundamental things.
    And a lot of people want to be part of the show and make sure that everyone knows that they are "great on the mitts."
    The most fundamental thing in boxing is understanding where your body weight is at all times and how to use the shifts in weight to expand your range of movement and the effectiveness of your moves.
     
  4. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You aint kidding !! He looked terrible in the rematch .. off balance , falling all over the canvas, rigid, winded , confused. all of it . .. He is giving up height, reach, weight, hand speed, and the ability to measure distance compared to Fury ..... And you would figure at some point only fighting in a straight line trying to play the timing game is not a good idea . off balance, no lateral movement to try and create some angles to land punches ,, gettin in and out with combos ... nothing .. Even with the weight gain, Fury was relaxed, on balance, measuring the distance, confident letting his hands fly, and was in A lot better fighting shape(stamina) than wilder was ..
     
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  5. Journeyman92

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    Without a doubt bad habits are born during the mitt work.
     
  6. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Yeah, the mitts kept me way sharper than the bag ever did.
     
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  7. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People sometimes say to me why do you have to repeat one punch so many times to perfect it? Well, these are not simple skills. It took me two years to learn how to throw the right hand. Then there's the left hook, the right hand to the body, the left upper cut to the body, the right upper cut to the body, the right hook to the body - these punches take years and years to learn. You don't climb through the ropes and just do it.

    -Chris Eubank Sr
     
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  8. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you can't see he telegraphs his right hand, off balance with the
    left hook , pushes his jab, and drops it, defensively not sound,
    tires in 3-4 rds, can't fight in close, arm punches with almost
    every punch with the exception of the right hand.
    Very basic with combo punches then maybe your the one missing something.
    You say he's worked hard with his fundamentals the last 18 months, so obviously
    prior to those 18 months his fundamentals wasn't sound. Right?

    So he's 2-1-1 against today's heavy's in the top ten. So what does that mean?
    In my opinion its a definitive indication on just how poor the heavyweight division
    is today.
    And lastly if you never heard of Jeff Sims, and too lazy to look him up with all
    the info available to you perhaps you're not as knowledgeable about the sport
    as you pretend to be.... Your knowledge only applies to fighter you like.
     
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  9. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Agree 100%
     
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  10. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Jab.. balance ..standing to straight..body punching specifically with the straight rt hand and lack of power are all things that I generally see wrong with a lot of fighters today. I do think they are more concerned on the strength and conditioning side of things than mastering techniques besides trying to look flashy on the mitts.
     
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  11. Brixton Bomber

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    They can be corrected during mitt work too.
     
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  12. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    well DC ?? Are you ready to take your Wilder posters off your wall yet? Since you were talking **** , you obviously got it ****ing wrong now didnt you? When your opponent has 40 pounds on you and is weighing in at 277, its an absolute embarrassment that he also has you well beat in the stamina dept .. All those disco muscles just suck the wind right outta you now doesn't it? In fact, 18 months of these new skills that you said that we were going to see went right out the window after round 2 .. Malik said that they were going to implement a plan to discourage Fury from coming in .. and jabbing/double jabbing to the body with an occasional rt to the body was that plan. But the problem is if you dont have the stamina to increase that work rate, then it goes South real quick .. where were all the jabs to the body after round 2? .. So before you talk **** about another poster who had it right from the start , leave your fan boy **** outta of it ...
     
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