Is the HW division "poor" because Wlad is dominating it?

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lucky punch obviously, Lewis killed him straight after.

and the Rock isn't from Wlads era at all. He was old and finished by then. That's the reason why K-bro fought him, cos they sure didn't dare face him when he was still prime/postprime.

 

******land, fights clearly in Wlad's era = not in Wlad's era. :nutcase:crybaby
He's more or less the same age as Waldo too little guy.

 

Wlad is 5 years younger, so no hes not in the same age group. HE FOUGHT OLD RAHMAN, and was not interested in prime rock. zero points to you.

You mean Vits, the one who didn't fight him, is in the same age group. DIDNT FIGHT HIM ever. Zero points to you.


'little guy and failed smilies'. negative points to you.

wow I kill you with your own weapon, that's how crap your post was.


Wlad did the right thing, primer Rahman killed both sanders and purity, who destroyed Wlad.

 

No, not 5 but 3 years younger.

Mid 30's Rahman. There was a 3 year age gap.

We're not talking about Vitali you little ******. Try and stay on subject. Although no doubt you see Vitali as being from a previous era to rahman due to being one year older.

Wlad who basically turned pro around the same time as Rahman utterly destroyed your boy Rahman and you're just going to have to deal with that.

 

Prime Tua:rofl the same Tua who was schooled off Byrd and went life and death with such ATG's as Jeff Wooden and David Izon. Most overrated heavyweight of the last 30years.

Prime Shannon Briggs who could only just scape a draw with Frans Botha and has done **** all in a what could of been bright career.

Didn't Golota get sparked in one round off both and Brewster and Ray Austin.

Tommy Morrison was fun to watch but never great, being stopped in 1 round off Michael Bent proves this.

Bruno and Ruddock very good but nothing special.

All the fighters you listed are on par the Chagaevs, Povetkins, Pulevs etc of Wlads era.

They are all very good fighters, but Wlad, Lewis and Holyfield are great.

 

The division has been weak for some time and having such dominant champions only exacerbates that fact, but does not completely explain it's perceived weakness.

The biggest problem with the divisions poor standing in the eyes of the majority of the fans is that fact until recently contenders did not face off against each other regularly enough so you had many fighters very much untested and unquantified in the top 10.

Even now you have Fury who's only significant win was a 20lbs overweight, rusty Chisora and Wilder who has beat nobody of note. When you have a top 10 littered with fighters that are unproven people of course will question the quality of the division.

Part of the problem is that the heavyweight division is no longer the marquee division, Wlad and Vitali simply don't generate enough cash compared to past champions due to the lack of PPV in their main market Germany. The lack of money means contenders and prospects are not being paid enough and so will not risk losing their 0 as the only way to make decent money if you are not a draw is to fight a Klitschko or Haye when he was active. It's a vicious circle, not enough money to risk contenders facing off, people lose interest because of this and so money available is even less.

But with Vitali retiring and freeing up the WBC belt things have got more interesting as fighters square off against each other in an attempt to to get a shot at the WBC title which is a less risky proposition of facing Wlad.

So the Klitschko dominance has it's part to play and a significant part to play but it's not just their dominance that has caused the perceived weakness at heavyweight.

 

No, it just lacks talent.

 

4 years, 1972 and 1976.

you mentioned same age, I was pointing out your error. if you cant bear to have your errors exposed and react badly to them like you did just then, that's understandable.

nothing changes - prime wlad faced old rahman, and they are 4 years apart.
but as you point out wlad turned pro roughly same time as rahman, and yet rahman was fighting for and winning the undisputed HW crown whilst wlad was busy avoiding anyone good including rahman (but still getting destroyed by guys rahman killed, I notice)

don't let me stop you from digging your own grave, sorry to interrupt.

 

What the fcuks up with this forum.... Now Wlad is avoiding/avoided prime Rahman..... Never heard as much bollocks in my life.

 

Alot of those guys who were prime in the 90's are old in the 00's. Briggs, Rahman, Tua etc.

I think also the disparity between the lineal champion and the rest of the top is 10 is bigger. For instance Ali fought Liston when he was 22 in his 20th fight, Anthony Joshua just fought his sixth fight at 24. What I'm trying to suggest is that, nowadays you'll be lucky to get the experience Ali got before he faced liston (Banks, Cooper). The gap between Klitschko and the next is so big how do heavyweights these days prepare? Most of the great trainers (Steward, Futch etc.) have passed on. Stiverne v Arreola was a positive step forward for the Heavyweights in the US, But King might just protect Stiverne untill death.

Experience is the key here.

 

I agree with some of what you say, but due to styles Id give Stiverne a solid shot to ko Morrison with his nasty right hand counter

 

rahman never had a prime.

 

You're prime Mick?! What about my prime, huh? What about MY PRIME?!? At least you had a prime.

 

****** land. Waldo wins a World title a year before Rahman = "Rahman's from a previous era to Klitschko".

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