Is the HW division "poor" because Wlad is dominating it?

I already talked about this, but I think the reason people think the HW division is weak is because most of the non-Klitschko fighters are unproven against top opposition. We don't really know how good they are, because the only real top HW they've fought is Wlad. For those of you who missed it, I'll just copy and paste what I already said:

Haye's best win after losing to Wlad was Chisora. We could have seen how good he is by fighting Fury, but that never happened.

Thompson's best wins are over glass-jawed Price and Solis, who is a prime example of wasted potential. I do think he's the most proven non-Klitschko HW, especially if he beats Takam tonight, but that's not really saying much.

Povetkin went life and death with Marco Huck, a CW, before fighting Wlad. His best win is Charr, who is extremely limited.

Wilder is still unproven, and there are still some questions about Fury. Fury has fought better opposition, but he didn't exactly look great against Chisora, Abell, and Cunningham. His upcoming rematch with Chisora should tell us more.

Stiverne has two wins over Arreola, but other than that, his resume is poor. No matter whether he or Wilder wins in their fight, they're both unproven.

If Wlad's victims fought each other, we would have a better idea of how good they really are.

 

People overrate sluggers, which is why Lewis' resume is itself overrated somewhat. It's good, don't get me wrong, but people overrate it because of the KO guys on it.

They're dangerous fighters, don't get me wrong, but history shows skill > that. Wlad's wins over Byrd are better than all those wins because Byrd was a tougher fighter to beat head to head. People just don't care because he wasn't a puncher.

Also, let's not forget that Wlad's been a top fighter through more than one era. Not only were half the names you just listed not contenders when Wlad won the belt....half of them weren't even professionals when Wlad won the title.

 

I think there is an element of that. Wlad's domination makes the division look worse than it is but even if Wlad never became a boxer, the division still would not look of the highest quality.

 

Why do you keep trying to crowbar Charr in as Povetkin's best ever win? He clearly isn't even a top 5 win for Povetkin. Perhaps you're new to the sport.

 

Oh, really? Then what ARE Povetkin's top 5 wins? A beyond shot Rahman? Boswell? Firtha? Chagaev, who was Wlad's leftovers? Byrd, who Wlad already beat twice? Does he even have 5 wins worth mentioning?

 

Bryd, Chambers, Huck, Chagaev, Donald, Estrada, Boswell, Wawrzyk and Rahman would all have a strong case to be ranked as a better win than Charr. If you can't find 5 better wins for Povetkin amongst those then you clearly haven't been following the sport very well.

 

I already said Rahman was beyond shot when he fought Povetkin. Everyone knew that fight was a disgrace. I don't consider that a good win, let alone a top 5 one.

Byrd already lost to Wlad twice.

Chagaev already lost to Wlad.

Who are Donald, Estrada, and Boswell's best wins?

Wawrzyk is unproven. Though to be fair, he's only 26.

The fact that these are considered Povetkin's best wins is really, really sad.

 

So? He's an ATG after all.

So? he's an ATG after all.

Holyfield

Possibly big Whitaker although he give Adamek a good fight not long after Povetkin.

maybe McCall.

He's looked great since the Povetkin fight for a prospect.

Yes and I'm sure if you judged Ali by his first 28 fights he wouldn't look quite as good either.

:roll:

 

The thread title is,

"Is the HW division because Vlad is dominating it?"

The real question should be,

"Is Vlad dominating the HW division because the division is as weak as bird ****?"

 

Sorry, did you just say ancient Holyfield and McCall are Donald and Boswell's best wins? :rofl You just proved my point.

For someone who was considered the #2 best HW in the world before fighting Wlad, Povetkin's resume is pathetic.

 

Your point was that Charr is Povetkin's best ever win so no, I didn't prove your point.

Who exactly do you expect a title challenger to fight before fighting for the title? Anything below prime Ali, prime Foreman, prime Tyson, prime Lennox back to back clearly won't do for you little fella.

 

That was my first point. The point I'm talking about is Povetkin's resume being poor, and that it's pathetic that the guys you listed are considered his best wins. So, even with a win over Charr, his resume is bad.

 

It wouldn't matter who the champ is today. The comp is inferior. It's not **** poor, but it isn't good either. Wlads comp was tough early in his career until they got old. He can only fight who is in front of him. But that doesn't mean that his comp is Ali comp.

 

Before getting his title shot at Frazier how would you rate George Foreman's cv?

Same question for Mike Tyson before his shot at the title against Berbick?

 

The only guy on that list who was at his best whenLewis actually beat them was Shanning Briggs and Bruno, both sluggers with stamina issues and questionable durability.

Golota stupidly got some sort of illegal pain injection to cover up an injury before the hyped Lewis fight that nearly killed him,he was going into arrest in the ring and was hospitialized. This is well documented. He was erratic head case anyway.

Ruddock was coming off a beating from Tyson that resulted in several injures which he claimed he never fully recovered from. I've argued against this but can see a case for him being damaged goods that Lewis put to rest.

Gary Mason suffered a detatched retina against Big Foot that would retire him. Big puncher but never did anything of note. Lewis was a final payday and while fair, still spent the entire fight targeting the bad eye until it was stopped.

Tua was grossly overweight by even his standards, claiming a rib injury prevented him from training properly agianst Lewis. Limited to begin with, never stood a chance. Would be outboxed by Byrd while in better shape.

Morrison was a mess and overhyped to begin with.

All men would be erratic up/down contenders in any era as they were in their own, but hardly the stuff of legend.

Lewis' best wins were Vitali, Holyfield, Mercer, Rahman , Ruddock, and Grant. He was the most consistent fighter of the 90s no doubt, with the strongest longetivity. A true great but sometimes his resume is overhyped and needs proper prospective.