On a recent thread I posted a lot of people were saying that the p4p list is meaningless and I wanted to know if the majority of the boxing fan base agreed with this. While I know the list is Fictitious and differs for each individual, I always thought being considered an elite p4p talent meant a great deal and was important in showing respect to the lighter weight classes. I mean without the list would fighters like Inoue be half as well known?
If a dude so small as Inoue's size sat on my lap, I wouldn't even get a stiffy because he'd be so light I couldn't even feel it.
It is pointless to a certain extent as most the top fighters are in the same weight class and won't fight each other. Eg Spence and Crawford.
Pound for pound lists are like sanctioning bodies belts. They only serve to dilute the real best fighters, and they're typically heavyweights.
Its mostly Americans who exploit it .. especially in recent times.. to make them feel superior when in reality they just can't produce the talent across the weight divisions enough anymore because the rest of the worldstarted caring about boxing.. so they hype up a couple of divisions that have a big American presence and imagine them as HWs or MWs & tell us that in this fictional realm they are superior LOL.. was bull**** when it was first talked of and it's bull**** now.. a speculative talking point nothing more… Fury, Usyk & Bivol are the top boys in the sport.. imagining Crawford their size doesn't mean in reality he beats them
It has meaning, it's a good way to recognize people for their skill so they're not forgotten. But in reality it has just became a coping system for Americans. Spence and Jermell should not be above Briedis, Ioka, Donaire based on resume or anything material, yet they always are on Americans' lists. Also a lot of Americans put Crawford in the top 5, some are even crazy enough to put him at #1.
Why is a fighter who weighs more respected more in your view? Seems odd to me that a man’s weight is what makes him respectable in a sport.
I dont put much stock in it. Its interesting to consider when trying to recognize talent regardless of divisions but too often has become a marketing ploy
I think its more to do with what the boxer has accomplished in their weight division more than if they could beat every one if they were the same size. At least thats how I've always seen it. Size doesn't matter if the smaller guy has accomplished more
Well you have fighters who are big or huge for their division who are routinely facing naturally smaller/much smaller fighters, fighters coming up in weight, who have barely fought any punchers, let alone ones their own size or bigger, ranked above ones who are in their second, third or even their fourth division who are routinely facing bigger, much or way bigger top fighters and champions they're giving huge physical advantages to and have fought lots of punchers, many their own size, bigger or way bigger. They're doing two different things and we know that the later can breeze through doing what the other is doing even in their second or third weight class, but we have no idea if the former can do what they're doing because they've never done it yet.
P4P is absolutely necessary. It allows ranking based on skill, size, and resume across all weight divisions. If you're against P4P lists, then you have a vagina with scabs.
Tyson Fury is the best fighter on the planet closely followed by Usyk That's all that matters. Meanwhile you have beta cuck soyboys like Canelo, Loma & Crawford arguing about who is P4P on social media whilst losing or fighting old brits.
A pound for pound list isn't meaningless, it just isn't meaningful. For boxing fans it is just a fun starting point for discussing and debating who the ten best fighters in the world are. If boxers themselves get involved in arguing about it through social media or other avenues then they are being absurd. It is a mythical, unprovable subject and in the real world the best heavyweights beat them all.
In boxing more weight=more skill in reality. Asking "Imagine if Inoue were the size of Valuev" is no less silly than asking us to "Imagine if Valuev was as fast as Inoue"