Is the Super Six becoming the Super Fix?

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Spot ON!

 

I thought that people were abit to excited about this thing to start with. I wasnt as excited. But I have to admitt that its better then I thought it would be. My stance from the start was that the winner of Kessler vs Ward would win the whole thing, and I have changed my view. Funny thing is when I said that before it started thier were a ton of people that agreed, but since Ward won alot have changed thier minds and are now going with AA to win it all. I think that AA had the easiest fight to start with, Taylor is a shell that should not have been in the thing, but was also the smallest fighter in terms of natural body size. I think that AA will lose in this tourny twice. Thier are some very interesting fights left. Dirrell vs Ward, AA vs Froch, Froch vs Kessler and Dirrell vs AA. I guess it would have been easier to say all that dont include Taylor.

 

You can't say that there have been fixed fights. Froch would have won that fight even bigger had it been in a neutral American area...American judges and fans prize aggression even more than those in the UK. Dirrell fought the exact opposite of the way a challenger has to fight if he wants a decision, and Froch was clearly the one with better ring generalship and effective aggression. Dirrell landed the cleaner punches IN A FEW ROUNDS, but his punches were usually not effective at all. IMO, if Dirrell lands one good combo per round and Froch lands a jab, but Dirrell still spends the entire round running scared, Froch is being the more effective fighter.

Ward, on the other hand, fought exactly the way a challenger SHOULD fight. You go take that belt, don't expect anyone to give it to you. His headbutts were excessive, but they were a product of aggression, and aggression was what was winning him the fight. Perhaps a better ref would have put an end to the illegal tactics (accidental though they may have been). Maybe the fight would have turned out differently. I had the fight scored 3 rounds Kessler and 2 rounds Ward with 1 even going into the 7th. From then on, Ward dominated, and that was also the time that Kessler began to complain about his eyesight. If you watch the fight again, you'll notice that Kessler comes forward for the first 6 rounds, but Ward is the aggressor from the 7th on. So MAYBE it would have been different without the illegal tactics and a possible point deduction from a better ref, but it's all speculation. IMO, it looked like Ward was going to find a way to beat Kessler either way, but you never know. I'd give Kessler a good chance in a rematch. But as before, there was nothing particularly fixed about the fight which could effect the outcome conclusively. Sometimes the ref just sucks, and good fighters have to find a way around it. Kessler didn't.

That said, I'd like to see the fights staged in neutral areas, or at least have a neutral panel of judges and a neutral ref. That's not too much to ask.

 

I had 115-112 for Dirrel, I'm not american and I think Dirrel is a runner and has a boring style, but Froch landed nothing.

 

I had the exact same score, but I had 3 rounds marked as questionable, so if they all went to Froch it would be a draw. I can see the scores the judges put in as just a reflection of their style preferences...it's not completely insane to score it as they did.

 

Nobody who feels froch won mentions that he didn't land 5 power punches to dirrell's face the whole night. It's all about dirrell's style but not about how froch couldn't cut the ring off. Even when froch had dirrell cornered he couldn't hit him and still got his head snapped back. If one feels that froch won they put something above clean punching in thier scoring criteria. Froch didn't do anything better than dirrell in terms of scoring criteria. Dirrell landed the cleaner punches; Faught his fight better then froch; His little bit of aggression was more effective then froch's abundant non-effective agression and dirrell's defense was better obviously. The reason that I see for anyone saying froch won is that they can't tell when punches land or miss (just like the fans in nottingham that night).

As for this thing about a fix. I don't think so here. Some promoters have a little bit more bargaining power. Still don't get me wrong, I don't put anything pass rich greedy people who work behind the scenes of any industry, much less boxing.

 

It's a good tournament & still wide open, imo.

No way is it "fixed" so Abraham makes the final. Let's see how he goes fighting on the opposite side of the world to what he's used to against a guy with his back to the wall. Dirrell has to win to stay in the tournament so don't give up on him just yet.

And can people please stop sooking about the decision in the Froch v Dirrell fight? The guy who pressed the action all night & who was fighting at home got the decision. Deal with it.

If Dirrell has got what it takes he will sping the upset in March & deal himself back in.

The only way this tournament could be improved from here is for Jermain Taylor to be subbed for Lucian Bute.

As for Ward getting favourable treatment wrt venues, Showtime needs the American audience to maintain interest in the tournament until the end so it makes sense for Ward to be looked after following his big win over Kessler.

Don't rule Kessler out, btw. He's capable of beating Froch at home.

 

The fans knew that Direll was winning, that's why they were quiet as hell the whole fight. Forch was getting outboxed and looked confused. This fight was a robbery, show me any reputable (non-British) source that had Froch ahead on points. Only English fans had Froch winning. It's a shame and a black eye for this tournament.

 

So far the highlight of the tournament was Tarver calling Froch "Carl Crotch."

 

Americans who can't take that loss on the chin are an embarrassment to themselves & their country.

I scored the fight to Dirrell (watching on tv) but am capable of recognising how easily a lot of the rounds I gave to Dirrell could have gone the other way. Froch took the fight up all night, ffs.

The fact that you (and others like you) can't recognise this suggests that you are either:

a) completely lacking in objectivity,
b) ignorant,
c) stupid, or
d) all or some of the above.

Which is it?

 

*YAWN* Froch took the fight to Direll by not landing any punches? Only in Europe this counts as a victory I suppose. I guess the judges in England score any aggressiveness: as long as you run around waving your hands about (and you're English) you win. Congrats, well done indeed.

P.S. You don't count as an objective source (an angry source maybe lol), just FYI.

 

A little sour grapes there, Boo.

Three fights so far.

The first was very good and exciting.

The second was less than stellar, and I thought th wrong guy got the nod.

But not a robbery.


The third was marred by dirty reckless tactics, but the best man on the night won.


And we have had one upset, therefore nothing is a foregone conclusion here.



Bring on round two.

 

It's sad that you (and many others like you) are so completely lacking in objectivity that you can't see fights from anything other than your own myopic perspective.

I can't be angry with you for that. I can only sympathize.

 

Dirrell fell down on canvas, complained, held, ran. Froch did the fighting. Froch won the fight. Dirrell refused to fight.

 

That **** was funny, even if your a mad little man pissed that Pavlik didnt nut up and join the fun. Instead fighting nobodies at the City Hall in Y-town with all his high school buddies there:rofl