In all seriousness, if the klits retired tomorrow, we would have to a former light heavyweight and cruiserweight (Haye and Adamek) as the two top fighters in the world. We would have former middleweights - Hopkins,Toney and even Dawson in the mix as challengers. The most promising challengers would be smaller (less than 6'2) but heavy guys who are desperately trying to drop there weight to compete, like Chambers, Chagaev and Tua who are probably the main challengers. We would still have the giant superheavys that have alwas been around (willard, Carnera etc), like Povetkin, Valuev, Austin, but they would be large and unskilled like they have always been and the decent skilled fighters would simply be too skilled on most occassions. Realistically, the Klitchskos seem to be the last dominant superheavyweights on the horizon at the moment.
How many supersized HW Champs have we really had though? How many were really good? W. and V. Klitschko, Lewis, and Bowe are the only really big HW champs worth mentioning. All 6'5"-6'8" and 235-250Lbs. Foreman, Holmes, and Ali were all 6'3"-6'4" and 210-220Lbs. in their primes. All 3 considered big men. You don't have to be huge to be HW champ.
Sorry but what information on Povwetkin do you have? He is 6'2'' and weighs between 220 and 230 pounds. How is that large? People were always argueing that he is too small to beat the superheavys. And he has good skills, at least as good as Haye and Adamek. Have you even seen him fight once? Aside of that would Haye and Adamek retire today, Povetkin would be the number one heavy before Haye and Adamek. Chambers and Chambers would make the Top5 complete. This proves your point though since all of them are not large heavys. I wrote something similar in the general forum a few days ago. Oh, and wtf has Tua done to be ranked that highly? IMO he isn´t Top10 these days.
Sorry, i got my povetkins mixed up with my Dimitrenkosatsch I agree that Tua hasnt done much lately, but based on his past history, i would ahve thought that he is currently higher rated than say an Areola or at least as highly rated. If I was forced with a gun to my head, to pick someone to face and beat one of the Klitchskos, and i needed a win, I think that Tua might have as good a chance as any. ie even though i doubt it would happen, i think i would be putting him near the front of the queue. I can see your point though.
I never bought into that "super-heavyweight" stuff anyway. Heavyweights are all pretty big, and come in various sizes and weights, and it's always been that way. Also, it's the only division where a fighter can put on as much weight as he wants and not have to move into another division. Whether it's fat weight, muscle weight, or a bit of both, a fighter can put on 20 or 30 pounds or more, and does that somehow quality him as a "super-" heavyweight ? Some guys are 6'7 and 255 pounds and fight like girls, and have glass jaws. You quickly forget how big they are when they are in the ring getting battered by some 200 pound guy.
Yep but he is no fighter. He has size, weight, decent skills and power but he has no heart, no desire, no spirit.
Both Haye and Adamek are relatively untested,how does beating Arreola make Adamek no2 at heavy? Hopkins no way , he is finished , and Toney is 41 and past it . The division has been crap since Lennox retired.Club fighters getting title shots, an agromelic missing link as Champ, the heavies are the worst they have been in my lifetime.
I was more replying to BM mixing up Dimetrenko with Povetkin Whats going on with Boystov, hes been moved painfully slowly Tyson Fury and David Price are two 6'8 giants, not sure how good they are mind
Wlad has a good 4-5 years left in him. By the time he retires another 6'5+ guy could be on the precipice of HW greatness. I'm more interested in 'will we see another great HW under 6', because I doubt we'll see another Tyson.
I tend to view a super heavy as a person with the triangle numbers of 6'3" or greater, 220 pounds or greater, and a 78"reach or greater. The best amateur heavy in Cammarelle can be viewed as a super heavy. The Italian's speed, power and skills are excellent. He does not want to turn professional though. I don't see the era of super heavies ending anytime soon. Wlad has at least 3-4 years left and the top young talent at heavyweight in Pulev, and Helenius are 6'4" or taller. Pulev has excellent speed and skills. Helinus is 6'6", and can hit. The third man to watch was the #2 amateur super heavy is Glaskov who recently turned pro. He's 6'3" 220, and gaining muscle. He'll be 230 in shape when he's ready. By 2014 my money is on one of these three being the #1 gun. You can see their matches on you tube.
A lot of the HWs coming through in Britain at the moment all seem to be giants, Tyson Fury, Tom Dallas, Richard Towers, David Price
At the moment I can't see any super heavyweight taking over after the Klitschko brothers are done, but one could very well come along in the next 5 years. Super heavyweights haven't always dominated the division but for the past 10 years Lewis, Vitali and Wladimir have been the champions, so it'd be fair to call this a "super heavyweight era", even though the great majority of the heavyweights are still around 6'2, 220 pounds.
In America it's finishing (or at the least ordering a bacon hamburger or two). The only guys we get over 220lbs are overweight in that category. In other countries these guys are working their asses off and coming in looking respectable above/around 220lbs. I was watching ESPN's Friday Night Fights to see Philly prospect Hank Lundy (I think that's the same night) and Tony Thompson vs. Owen Beck was the headliner. A 38 year old southpaw that already was beaten by Wlad is America's current best (and remaining) effort. You wanna argue Chambers for that spot? Fine, be my guest, he's already lost to Wlad as well (and Povetkin). Outside of that who is there? No decent American in sight for at least another year or two. I'd say between Johnathon Banks, the unproven Seth Mitchell, and the equally unproven Deontay Wilder, that's best America has best to offer in the future, and they barely scrape the requirements for superheavy. Now granted, the Europeans aren't thee perfect bill of health, but they look so much better. Ustinov's weight is a concern to me, he's gonna Shannon Briggs himself out of contention and just be a walking mass of muscle. Odlanier Solis is pissing me off with his flab, apparently he's got "American Heavyweight-itis". The superheavyweight era isn't dying, it's just dead in America. In Europe you got Sam Sexton at 241lbs 6'2", Francesco Pianeta at 231lbs 6'5", Alexander Ustinov at 306lbs 6'7", Tyson Fury at 252lbs 6'7", the list goes on.
Despite Povetkin's amateur background as a superheavy , he is far from giant as you mentioned him. The Klitschkos are successful as they are because of their size. They rely heavily on it. It is just the obvious , it is not a sign of a supreme talent or anything , but it does prove that other very big men whom are not able to use their asset are talentless to the degree of extreme stupidity. The Klitschkos deserve not to be praised for it. Those other very big idiots should be scorned , however. And i am not sure Valuev is that stupid or simply his size is the cause for his inability to perform like the average smaller fighter. But the Klitschkos just did not reach that size , although I am pretty sure the difference between him and Vitali is much smaller than 5" or 7". But even 6'9.5" may be just a little too tall for his own good.