Is the title of 'lineal champion ' just nonsense?

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  1. KO_King

    KO_King Horizontal Heavyweight Full Member

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    I'm applying only to heavyweight, as that seems to be the only division where it's wheeled out.
    Does it actually mean anything worthwhile? I mean, it's not like the title line can go further back than when the last lineal champion retired, according to its very definition (e.g. Lennox Lewis). So it's been broken many times. And when used liberally, does it give champions an excuse to defend against weaker competition (Tyson Fury, I'm looking at you!!)?
    In summary does it do more harm than good?
     
  2. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Yes, means absolutely nothing.
     
  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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  4. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Means at one point you were the lineal chanp, and likely held a title then was probably stripped, or just dropped by the champ
     
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  5. Joe.Boxer

    Joe.Boxer Chinchecker Full Member

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    How can being the world champion be just nonsense?

    Or should I say, how could it have been, before Fury-Ngannou killed boxing (RIP)?
     
  6. CMCanavessi

    CMCanavessi Member Full Member

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    It is the only important one.
     
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  7. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Hype Jobs will be hype jobs until proven so. Full Member

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    It can be argued as the best one but meaningless at the same time.

    Its all about the man who beat the man.
     
  8. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's only significant for a moment in time, just because on that night, in that fight you are the best in the world at that weight class doesn't mean you will remain the best in the world. Other sports hold regular championships where the best face the best because of that very premise, only in boxing is there a concept that being the best at one time means you remain the best until you are beaten. If the concept behind a linear title were true there would never be any rematches because the first fight proved who was best and no matter what the rematch won't be any different, but of course we know that isn't true as there are countless examples of fighters winning rematches when they lost the first fight.

    So yes it's nonsense created to market a fighter nothing more.
     
  9. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    It feeds the fans, so it isnt nonsense.

    Being able to talk and argue about a given sport is what keeps this sport alive.

    Things like the p4p lists, the lineal champions, the long counts, the supposed dives or the bad scorecards is what keep boxing alive.

    People love to argue about sports. Imagine a sport where there is nothing to argue about, it would be completely dead in less than a month.
     
  10. Sandman_

    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

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    I only ever recognise the Lineal H/W champ as the one, true H/W champ.

    When Mike Tyson was running hot in his prime, I recognised Michael Spinks as the one true champ.

    What inevitably happens in those circumstances, is that the guy with the next best claim to the H/W championship ends up fighting the Lineal champ in order to receive universal recognition. As Mike Tyson did. It's a title of historical significance that separates the alphabet wannabes from the real champions. Agree that in this day & age, it's only of any significance in the H/W division.

    Mind you, if Canelo suddenly threw away all of his Super Middleweight bling & declared himself the one true Lineal Middleweight champ, I would recognise him as such. So in particular circumstances, it could have a wider application.
     
  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    It doesn't mean as much as it should, purely because of mainstream recognition.

    Everyone has bought into the multiple title nonsense.

    This is why you get people playing along with Wahid being a 3 division champion.
     
  12. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    The way things have been going of late ( last two or three decades), it doesn't mean a whole lot.
    And this is even more true when we don't have general agreement as to actually IS the lineal champion.
     
  13. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    The Saudis are trying to implement this new old concept with their undisputed belt. Like it alot. Money talks.
     
  14. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's at the point where it is not as meaningful a recognition as it once was.............
     
  15. peter_uk

    peter_uk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If the best fought the best then it would be meaningful; however, with the lack of willingness of certain promoters to work with each other, and ducking by certain fighters, the lineal championship is no way an "open championship", and instead is confined to the narrow cache of fighters the lineal champion is willing to face.