Is There A Case That Juan Manuel Marquez Is In Truth Undefeated?

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  1. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Have you seen?

    Marquez vs. Wheeler (Marotta: "I felt Marquez was the beneficiary of a corrupt stoppage")

    Marquez vs. Norwood (Lampley: "Many ringside felt it went the wrong way")

    Marquez vs. John ('Tropic Thunder' in a boxing ring)

    Marquez vs. Pacquiao II     (no comment required)

    (first 'L' we have been told was a "bogus" DQ in his first professional fight)
     
    san rafael, May 27, 2009
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  2. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why bring up a fight he won in a "should be undefeated" thread?

    Besides that, 4 fights are alot to just dismiss. But really, this is why undefeated records are over-rated - lots of people have questionable losses. Close decisions/whacky reffing happen every day in boxing. Just gotta live with it.

    Edit: answering my own question... now I get it, you're just looking at both sides of the coin with that Wheeler fight. I haven't seen 2 of those fights, but that's alot of results to make a case on.
     
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  3. paloalto00

    paloalto00 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Like Hopkins said, "If you don't have any losses then you shouldn't be fighting for a title, for you haven't fought anyone good yet."
     
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  4. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    You can make a case for it although i had Norwood beating him.
     
    bladerunner, May 27, 2009
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  5. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yes you can.
    I thought he beat Pacquiao and John an Norwood could have gone either way.
    The DQ loss was later found out to be bogus as the ref wa paid to do it.
    So you can make a case.
     
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  6. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Norwood beat him clearly enough. No, he isn't undefeated.
     
    TommyV, May 27, 2009
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  7. JohnAkiBoa

    JohnAkiBoa Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And Chris john too beat him. Every boxing expert had John winning the fight.
     
    JohnAkiBoa, May 27, 2009
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  8. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I read that this was the case so i did some investigation, and yes, there is a case. All his losses were controversial

    There was a big thread on the Marquez John fight here on ESB a month or 2 ago (hit a shearch its a good read), and the solid opinion from those who had seen the fight was that Marquez had clearly won

    I googled Marquez Norwood to see if i could find out if that was a clear loss and the article i came across said it was also controversial

    There is very much a case that Juan Manuel Marquez is in truth undefeated
     
    radab, May 27, 2009
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  9. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Why bring up ALL the facts around the issue? :rofl So it can hold ****ing water, that's why. The Wheeler outcome has EVERYTHING to do with a question like this. If you had Marquez ahead at the time of the stoppage - 5 seconds left in a fight that Juan Manuel was trailing on two of the cards, it doesn't matter regardless. This is an educated question, djm, not propaganda. Also, I want to know if anyone thinks Wheeler beat him. Speaking for myself.
     
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  10. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    I've been agreeing with Tommy alot lately. This is no exception. I might have another look at that one.
     
    san rafael, May 27, 2009
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  11. TommyV

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    You can't say Marquez is undefeated on the boxing you saw one person disagree with the Norwood decision. I had it 116-112, it was comfortably and clear. People just see that all his other fights can be disputed and then make a situation out of it by calling the Norwood fight a robbery. He isn't undefeated but it doesn't matter.
     
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  12. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Missed this - me as well on a live scoring. I might watch it again.
     
    san rafael, May 27, 2009
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  13. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No surprise there. Tommy said the same thing to me so i did some further investigation and found Tommy was talking complete shite as usual
     
    radab, May 27, 2009
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He lost very close fights.

    Not, there is not a case he is undefeated, not for me. I'm not interested in that sort of thing.
     
    McGrain, May 27, 2009
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  15. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i had john winning because i followed the referee's instruction to deduct JMM's one point
     
    asero, May 27, 2009
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