Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Flo_Raiden, Dec 3, 2018.
Floyd Sr., can teach him a thing or two in Trash Talking
You can always improve, tougher in your 30's but can be done. He had the height and similar reach to Fury so he should've done more explosive 1-2 combos, and double jab right hands to the body, fake Fury to the body etc. You need experience for these type of things and he's still learning. It's about how to approach certain fighters. Against a boxer like Fury you have to start early and go to the body because he moves his head.
Also, Wilder's stance is too damn wide, that's why it's tough for him to close distance even though he is fast. He has to reset on everything. Get a ****ing coach that knows about footwork and smooth punches, Mayweathers, Loma's father, etc. If he learned to throw an efficient right cross like Wlad where he doesn't telegraph it from a mile away, he'd be even more devastating.
No. He is 33 and behavior is set in stone.
If u want to teach someone something then you have to make them understand why they should do whatever is being taught and how it will help them in their goals and make the material relatable.
Not necessarily the best trainer out there but leta be real, Wilder is too deep in his career to change much, it would need to be a trainer that understands Wilder, his approach, and why he fights the way he does and it would have to be someone Wilder can relate to.
DW is a seriously flawed fighter but enormously gifted as well. Hed gotten this far while being a technical novice. He doesnt need much more to kick AJ's ass.
I saw a novice windmill against Fury , I lowered Fury even more after this. Excuse me? what did Wilder display outside power?
Chances are zero, boxers real style comes out when under pressure and we know Wilder could not even connect with a punch when he had internet troll Charlie Zelenoff one one knee. Wilder is a lost cause.
Wilders fundamentals are so bad that fiddling and optimizing that is an exercise in futility. It'd be better to try condition him and work on his stamina.
Excerpt from a Brin Jonathan Butler piece on Wilder:
"Wilder is 40-0 as a pro with 39 knockouts, but he came to the sport late. How do his skills compare with Breland’s when he was a prodigiously gifted amateur boxer?
Breland’s eyes follow Wilder pacing around the gym. He folds his thin arms across his chest and absentmindedly leans back so you can appreciate how freakish a task it must have been to fight a man at 147 pounds who stands at 6 feet, 2½ inches. Gradually, a mischievous grin curls Breland’s lips.
“He’s at about where I was at 11.”
“11 or 12,” he concedes, turning it over some more. “But you gotta remember, he’s a heavyweight in today’s era. And you seen how he can punch. If you can bang? Hell, that’s enough now. And you seen what his right hand can do. He can bang.”"
Also, in the Knuckles & Gloves podcast, Brin said he saw Wilder spar 16 rounds and lose 10 of them, against pretty poor opposition. But he also picked Wilder to beat Fury - he saw enough of that right hand to convince him that the power is real, and could win a fight after being dominated.
To me, this suggests that Wilder is beyond any significant modification of his style, and is possibly best focusing on maximising his strengths. Like Marciano, supposedly his trainers felt he was a rudimentary "caveman" but didn't want to alter his technique in case it ruined the "natural leverage" of his power punches. At 33 yo, I suspect Wilder's technique is what it is , but perhaps a bit more stamina, so he is not gassing late and that big right hand has more power could be useful.
He's too old, but if I had to choose anyone Robert Garcia he'd make him train fundamentals just like he did maidana
Too late. Too dumb.
Then they would need to teach away his long thin legs narrow hips and high center of gravity. That's why he uses a wide stance. To compensate for his lack of balance also adding explosive power to his shots.
IMO I think his style is even more crude than a young George Foreman and even then Foreman in the 70s had more skills offensively. I think it's a shame that he didn't have the proper training to learn the basic fundamentals of boxing. Had he been taught to box in the mold like Tommy Hearns, Mike McCallum, or Vernon Forrest he could have been seen as unbeatable, given his incredible power and good chin.
Wilder is 33, you cannot properly train someone who thinks skills are overrated !
P.S . I can though not sure Wilders brittle hands would stand up to me holding pads so we may have to stick to primarily heavy bag work which he isn't good at either.... .
You really disrespecting the late great steward as one of the best trainers ever in boxing. He turn Lewis from a brawler to a great all around fighter that box, brawl. Steward would've been a perfect trainer for wilder.
Emanuel Steward could have . He was one guy who could change a top fighter and make him better. Most trainers get hired and do nothing, but Emanuel had that ability, which is why Lennox and Vlad respect him so much. He made them better and they appreciate it. Emanuel understood that tiny tiny differences in the fight or tactics against specific fighters can change a fight. But generally no you cannot change a fighter. Not with the current trainers. They don't know how to work on little things which can turn into big. They don't see it.