Is there any way fans can arrest the trend of fighters being less active

HistoryZero26 · Dec 4, 2025 at 11:18 AM

LoveThis said: ↑

Ok i put some thought into this. Because I think we as harcore fans have only power insofar as we are able to steer the perspective on our sport for the casuals. And we might reach the minds of the pros. But how?

I think the most efficient way is a precise idea of what makes a good fighter. Look at basketball. The hardcores over there are statistics nutcases. They have like 10 terms for achievements players could have in a game. They even account for the impact a player has when they are on or off the court. And that is casual talk. This goes as far as leading players to take suboptimal actions to optimize their statistics. Not taking risky shots when they are needed for the team etc.

Now let's imagine we coin a new term that catches on. That fans start to use like they already use 'undisputed', 'undefeated', 'ko-ratio' etc to judge a fighter. Let's call it 'heroism' or something.

Heroism of the last 5 years =
For every fight from the last 5 years
Take the odds that the fighter wins
And multiply all of them.

That's the heroism number for the last 5 years. Betting odds can not be manipulated. Number of fights can not be manipulated.

If someone likes to fight once a year where he has 1.05 odds to win, the heroism will be very small.

If on the other hand someone fights 3 times a year with odds around 1.7-2.5 or more... You will have very high numbers.

It would depend on something like that catching on. If media start to evaluate careers with that measure you will see changes. Look at how mayweather and all the world were going on about the longest undefeated career. Sugar ray robinson was undefeated for his first 150 fights or something. Still to the world mayweathers record still means a lot. He was able to sell himself also based on that.

'heroism' or however you want to call it makes more sense, since it is way closer to the fan's actual perspective of what they want to see. If it catches on it might change something. If you can sell fighters with it. But something like that only works if lots of people are interested in it, like they are in undisputed now (which is also not the greatest measure of greatness)
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Honestly basketball has the most toxic fanbase in the history of sports. I'd rather be in prison then on NBA twitter. Holy crap those people are nuts.

LoveThis · Dec 4, 2025 at 11:31 AM

BCS8 said: ↑

Yes, easily.

Stop paying to see the mega-events and rather attend multiple smaller events with lesser known fighters. If the emphasis is taken off "protecting the zero" and instead on watching more boxing, the economics will dicatate that more fights = more money.

It would also help out lesser known fighters by tossing some coin their way.
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And you get a better event for less money. Honestly I love those golden boy cards in mexico. Let two 10-1 mexicans square off and i know it's going to be a great fight. Same with japanese.

Now i saw thor fight eddy hall and the jake paul fights and so on... They are freak shows and more fun as a 'noone knows what will happen' kind of event. But such fights are ppv. Or see benn vs eubank.

Honestly as long as people prefer narrative over actual good matchups it makes total sense for fighters to care for exactly that.

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