Is there anyone who fought BEFORE Sullivan who could have taken him?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, from the isloated quotes i've seen he seemed to obsess about that draw with Mitchell.

    He likened the alternative ruleset to a "footrace". He did have some notable successes under this ruleset though, did he not? Was the nine round defeat of Ryan not under LPR, i've read it lasted anything form 10-12 minutes, that's pretty quick considering.
     
  2. janitor

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    The Sullivan Ryan bout is the LPR equivalent of Tyson Spinks. With 30 seconds alowed to recover after a knockdown that is as close to a total blowout as you will get.

    The Mitchel and Killrain fights were long but they were not particularly cometitive. Both Mitchel and Killrain fought to survive and got knocked out cold a couple of time only being saved by the 30 second recovery time.
     
  3. fists of fury

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    Just gonna reiterate what Janitor said. Sullivan was very frustrated by the second Mitchell fight. They fought in terrible conditions and Sullivan (probably Mitchell too) frequently lost his footing in the mud.

    Mitchell bent the rules to the maximum and this allowed him to get a draw with Sullivan. As an attacking force he was impotent. Of course, he was a far smaller man, so I don't really blame him for his tactics.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Yeah, I guess there aren't many middles who would play it totally straight in with Sullivan.

    The English didn't acknowledge Sullivan as champ, is that correct? Mainly off the back off this draw? They held to Mitchell?
     
  5. fists of fury

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    To be honest, I'm not too sure. If they did it was ludicrous. Sullivan was a big hit with the Brits when he toured there.
     
  6. fists of fury

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    McGrain, I'll try and answer your earlier question about Sullivan v Jackson later. I need to do a little digging about something first.
     
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    A few statistics about the bout gleaned from contemporary sources:

    The bout lasted 3 hourd ten minutes and 55 seconds.

    In all 38 knockdowns ocured of which 33 were sustanined by Mitchell and 3 by Sullivan.

    All of the knockdowns sustained by Sullivan were caused by throws.

    At least 10 of the knockdowns sustained by Mitchell involved him going down without getting hit.

    At least 16 of the knockdowns sustained by Mitchell were caused by Sullivans punches.

    Mitchell had to be carried back to his corner at the end of the 11th.
     
  9. fists of fury

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    Thanks Janitor.
    I do believe Sullivan grew frustrated with the LPR, since a guy could fluff his way to a draw or at least the later rounds by bending the rules of the day.
     
  10. fists of fury

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    The only time Kilrain had him on the floor was from throws as well. I think it's one area of Sullivan's game under LPR that could be exploited by a good wrestler.
     
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    Theogenes would be my pick.
     
  12. McGrain

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    This seems to be the source of Sullivan's fury at this ruleset.
     
  13. janitor

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    In the Killrain fight he adopted the tactic of falling on Killrain with both knees, when Killrain went down without getting hit, so the two fouls effectivley canceled eachother out.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Boss thinking.
     
  15. fists of fury

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    Yeah, and at least in the Kirain fight, Jake went down a couple of times from glancing blows. Mitchell most likely did the same.

    Kilrain also spiked Sullivan on at least two occasions...rough days, those.