Is there really such a thing as a 'split draw'? (EDIT: Yes, there is - I just ignored them)

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  1. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    I was reading a write-up of the Charlo-Castano fight and the result was described as a 'split draw'.

    I thought this was a strange description as it was one card in favour of each fighter and then the other a draw. That's just a draw as far as I'm concerned - no need to add the 'split'. Whilst it's technically possible for all three judges to score a fight even, in reality that almost never happens so the addition of 'split' here seems redundant.

    I always thought 'Split' or 'Majority' only needed to be used when a decision is given in favour of one fighter or the other. Is the article wrong or is this how fight results like this one are described?
     
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  2. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    It does seem slightly redundant, doesn't it?

    Sure, I suppose you could technically get a unanimous draw where all three judges call a draw, but I can't remember ever seeing it?
     
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  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Unanimous draws aren't very common in 8 round fights and above. They do happen though, as I can remember there was one not that long ago, as we discussed how uncommon that was if it wasn't due to referee (one man) scoring.

    But when called after the fight and documented, it has to be accurate. Otherwise just call it a draw.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Wtf are you talking about? :lol: There are three possible kinds of draw - split, majority, and unanimous.

    Split draw:
    Judge 1 scores to Fighter A
    Judge 2 scores to Fighter B
    Judge 3 has it even

    Majority draw:
    Judges 1 & 2 have it even
    Judge 3 scores it to Fighter A or B

    Unanimous draw:
    All judges have it even.


    This is pretty straightforward, elementary stuff and shouldn't be the least bit controversial. Whether you are used to hearing it spelled out in fine detail like that or not. Of course in all three cases you can skip the qualifier and just say draw, but specifying whether split, majority or unanimous is never 'wrong'. That's ridiculous.
     
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  5. Mulanax

    Mulanax The Real Touch of Sleep Full Member

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    End of discussion right here

     
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  6. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Damn.
    Damn. You hit'em with the high facts.
     
  7. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    That’s a good explanation.. I actually never think about it.

    I’m a little annoyed with how the announcer usually said it though..
    Usually they will say we have a split decision, and this make me think we have a winner..
    And then announce the third scorecard as even DRAW..

    I do understand, they did that to create suspense.
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yes. For example, both GGG and Clenelo are draws so any fight between them is going to do good numbers albeit Clenelo has been shamelessly ducking the third installment of the trilogy for three years despite the fact that GGG was already a senior citizen when he paddled his ass in robbery #1. That's what I'm talking about.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :sisi1 In hindsight rereading the wording of the OP that might have been a little heavy-handed of me; @Jel was merely inquiring, and generally is a good egg, not some doofus newb...which makes it all the stranger that he wouldn't be very familiar with hearing results announced either as split or majority draws. But yeah, if you've watched the sport for any period of time you've heard it countless times, even if you've maybe tuned it out.

    It actually irks me when emcees just declare 'this bout is a draw' with no higher degree of specificity but then I'm kind of a stickler for exactness.
     
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  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Definitely a bit strong handed imo.
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeah welll, like I said it didn't even occur to me to look and see that it was an established and respectable poster and not some clunkhead newb, because it never occurred to me that someone like Jel would be so mystified by such a commonplace and sensible thing as the naming convention for different types of decisions applying to draws as well. My response would've been more gentle ribbing, a`la "Dude, really? What do you, start dissociating when Michael Buffer is handed the scorecards? :sisi1" rather than my patented sweep of the broadsword to decapitate the rabble (the sort that crop up every few months with an inane thread like "I don't get it; why do we have a ten point must system? We should use this bonkers thing I thought up instead..")
     
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  12. Surrix

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    Floyd Jr now is even older than Povetkin and still not enough old & very big name in Vegas to rob him on cards by at least 2 judges.
    Therefore Clen didn't had fought vs Floyd Jr again.
     
  13. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    It's ok, IB, I'm currently sitting in the corner, facing the wall and thinking about what I did.
     
  14. Jel

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    Of course, you're right, IB. And going back to what I wrote in my original post, I probably phrased it badly.
    I went back to the Chris John-Rocky Juarez first fight just to have a listen to how Michael Buffer announced the result but to be fair that was a case where the scores were identical across the board so that was a possibly rarer case of a unanimous decision with identical totals as well.

    Yeah, of course, what you said makes perfect sense. I think it was perhaps more about the way things are generally reported and announced (he says backtracking furiously), rather than a lack of logic in defining split, majority and unanimous draws, which just like split, majority or unanimous wins are equally sensible. I guess otherwise I wouldn't care about the result of those either ('It was a split decision? Who cares?! It was a win, that's all that matters' - which is not something I say.)

    Either way, I am suitably chastened now, IB, and apologise for my previous indifference to exactitude.

    I've corrected the title.
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    See, now ^ that's how you take a constructive note classily.

    For he's jolly good Jel-la... :eusa_dance:
     
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