Is this a genuine knockdown?

Clear as day knockdown

 

Yeah it's about as obvious as it gets tbh, the ref saved Crawford from some serious embarrassment by not calling it.

 

Crawford has no signature wins

Fights washed up or recycled fighters.

 

Funny, i was looking at this too today

 

It couldn't be more of a knockdown

 

Why? Mean Machine's a good puncher, and Crawford wound up winning the fight after momentarily getting buzzed. I'd say it probably should have been called, but as far as KD's go it wasn't really that heavy or embarrassing.

 

I don't think there's any shame in it but for someone declared to be so totally dominant and supposedly so many levels above Kavaliauskas it would be embarrassing for him personally. I think Egidijus is underrated personally, that guy is a warrior, technically very proficient with timing to complement it, always in ridiculously good shape and his power is significant.

 

Well, then he's in good company with your hero T. Fury. Fury is in good company with Canelo too. Canelo calls his PED's Mexican beef, Fury calls his English boar meat.

 

I mean, he was ultimately dominant, scoring multiple KD's and forcing a stoppage.

But Crawford starts slow, and like you say, Kava's a very good, technically sound and heavy handed guy. Pretty much the exact kind of fighter who can get business done when you're going through your download. Crawford might have been a bit embarrassed about getting tagged, but these things happen and generally speaking he reacted pretty well in the end.

 

I think it was 100% a KD, but not calling it a KD is consistent with the way a lot of refs call them today. This is one of my biggest pet peeves.

These days they look for any evidence of anything besides a punch contributing to the fall, like they want to call it a slip. The rules that I've seen are ambiguous, kind of like NFL pass-catch and fumble rules were years ago. It's a simple, common sense rule that gets weird when everything is in HD and slow motion. What if you get hit so hard you stumble backwards and go down, but your last step was on a greasy logo? Is that a KD? I would say yes, many disagree it seems.

Crawford is trying to hang on and Kavaliauskas is trying to break free, there's a little wrestling happening and Crawford fails to prevent himself from falling. The thing that happens right before he hits the canvas is wrestling rather than the punch (so many other current refs would no-call this even without Crawford's A side status), however the reason he is hanging on and heading down is that he got clipped and needs support to stay up. He needs support to stay up so it should be a KD.

I want the default to be when you hit the canvas it's a KD and it's only called a slip/push if the cause is clear and obvious and not punch related at all.

 

no

 

When you watch it in live speed it looks like the force of Kava's physicality while Crawford is trying to clinch him is what takes Crawford to the ground. If I'm the ref I call it a knockdown to be sure, Crawford never tied up Kava's arms, Kava is punching at Crawford's body as Crawford goes down.

 

I agree. Though I think your theory on how the refs call it has been applied throughout history not just these days.
I recall Pernell Whitaker in a couple of his fights get buzzed and then fake a slip to buy time. Whitaker with so good with his legs and feet he was able to pull those types of antics and get away with it.
I think one of those knockdowns was vs Tito Trinidad.

 

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