Is This Man the Greatest Bantam Of All time?

Sorry, didn't catch this before I replied. I'll stick on my to do list.

 

What a pic.

Personally I think he'd outpoint both.

 

There is Harada vs Jofre 1 and 2

Jofre vs Medal 1 - where he wins

Jofre vs Aoki - albeit a 1 punch clip

and the famous Jofre vs Arguello sparring session :deal



I think Olivares would beat him in a series 2-1. But all the fights are close. I like Olivareses footspeed to be the diference as he had quicker feet than Jofre and Jofre would be the one looking to keep it at long range but Olivares who would want it on the inside had the footspeed to do it. I think he could get in like he did vs Rose.

Jofre's long range shots would catch Olivares on the way in and could stun him and hurt him to take rounds but i just think Olivares would be inside too much.

Although saying that Jofre does better on the inside than Olivares on the outside.

It is close aint it.

 

I really have a hard time picking a winner when it comes to Jofre-Olivares, there's hardly a wrong answer when all is said and done. We only have the one man ever beating Jofre to go off, and how that was done was by the dynamo that was 'Fighting' Harada, with that moving in, letting go plenty of shots in a rapid fashion, and moving back out, even jabbing and moving at times. While i personally think Olivares' footwork is even better than Harada's, i don't know about him fighting the same fight. As much as people will talk about us using an 'on' version of Olivares here, we do know that he can be beaten in fights as well.

Anyway, for the reasons of fairness, i'll talk about the best versions of both. We're going to see the best of the best when it comes to in fighting, Olivares in my opinion is capable of hurting Jofre, but Jofre has them fine cutting edge combos both on the inside and out, and is durable to boot. I'm leaning towards Jofre, i'm picking him if pushed.

On Jofre-Zarate, i don't think enough credit is being given to the formidable fighter the Mexican truly was. I think it would be ultra close, more jabs would be used and a bit of patiently awaited on big shots by both men, and for this reason i see it being maybe even closer than the Olivares fight. Not fought at quite a consistently frantic pace, i don't see Zarate getting a stoppage win so i see Jofre winning by just doing a bit more scoring with the accurate stuff.

Anything can happen in both of these fights, like AlFrancis said, we are talking about top fighters here.

 

Great fighter but a bit overrated if you call him the Sugar Ray of the bantams. His losses to Harada, and then Harada's loss to Rose gives us the comparison we needed to judge him. He was not a level above Zarate.

 

MrMarval

I think Harada and Rose are top 10 Bantams of all time

good summary Teeto, i just aint seen enough to rank Zarate

 

Harada is overrated, too.

 

Harada overrated?

explain please

 

Really? I saw very little resemblance between he and Robinson's styles. Both were very well rounded boxer-punchers, but their aesthetic and physical qualities were very different.

Definitely among Bantamweights.

 

Damn, Jofre just has it all doesn't he?

What troubled Olivares with Herrera (outside of his poor conditioning) were the short, compact punches he threw on the inside and during exchanges, which is often what enabled him to beat Olivares to the punch. Castillo on the other hand was more of a boxer-mover with power, quicker with his feet than Jofre. Yes, Jofre had a lot of qualities that would've troubled Olivares (durability, power, body punching) but he doesn't bring "everything" the above fighters bring. I think it's feasible both guys could've given Jofre all he could handle as well, to be honest. They were great fighters, at least as good as someone like Jose Medel, IMO.

 

atschFool.

 

I think your impression of Jofre is way off. I'd actually say he was a more skilled technician than Olivares. While Rockabye Ruben could also box very well, I saw Jofre as more of a cool, calm, and collected thinking man's fighter. Perhaps not quite as physically impressive as the more explosive Olivares, but the steadier, more balanced technician. I saw Olivares as more the type to overwhelm his opponents with his relentless approach and dicing combinations. Again, both could box very well, but I very much disagree with your assertion of the two in comparison to one another.

 

A young, prime Gomez was much more disciplined than the latter version.

 

Pea a young Gomez wasnt tested as much against brawlers

 

True, but he was tested against a powerful, well-rounded boxer-puncher in Zarate (A test he passed with flying colors, by the way). Jofre himself was not a brawler, but rather a powerful, well rounded boxer-puncher.