Is This Man the Greatest Bantam Of All time?

fair point.

 

oh i absolutely agree that jofre is a better technician than olivares. i was actually comparing harada and olivares, stating that they were similar in aggression but olivaries could box to set up his power when necessary; if he could show the kind of non stop punches that harada did he could trouble jofre. jofre is 100% though technically superior and a more precise boxer/puncher

 

I see. Unfortunately it doesn't change much, as Harada was an excellent boxer himself. Have a look at the first Harada fight on Youtube. He moves, jabs, and boxes beautifully at times, while swarming relentlessly at others. Really a stylistic nightmare for any fighter at his peak. He could pretty much do it all, though he wasn't the puncher the other guys were.

 

damn straight, his jab is one of the best i've ever seen, in both those fights. i think harada was far more than the swarmer he's portrayed as. i just think olivares is as well; more than the greatest puncher in division history i think he had tremendous skills when he utilized them. at his best, he would trouble jofre. not necessarily win but certainly provide a stern test

 

dURAN, Started outat 119lbsWhat If.....Duran, you know the one that beat ray and damn near beat marvin ..... stayed at the who beats em? 120s?

 

Pardon?

 

Harada would have smothered Olivares, and decisioned him with nonstop blizzard punching in my humble and often wrong opinion. Harada w 15 Olivares.

 

His rematch with Medel exists as well.

Here's a clip from it:
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The more I think about it, and the more I watch them both, I just can't see Olivares winning. I know people are very much in awe of his performance against Rose (and understandably so), but it's mistake to think he could just "swarm" any fighter like he did to Rose. Rose was more of a defensive boxer and didn't have the kind of style or weapons needed to hurt Olivares and get his respect. Whenever Olivares fought someone that was capable of matching him at close quarters - ie: Castillo, Herrera, Pimentel - he changed his style and boxed much more cautiously. Olivares was also more open to being hit than Jofre (even against Rose) and his chin wasn't quite as solid; in fact, he was down fairly regularly in his title fights. I'd also go out on a limb and say Jofre was mentally tougher and more resilient than Olivares, as IMO Olivares did appear to say "No mas" against Herrera and perhaps a couple other fights.

In a nutshell, Jofre was at least as fast and powerful as Olivares, but also much more technically/defensively sound and was distinctly sturdier and more resilient. I don't see where Olivares would have an advantage here.

 

The one of you getting driving lessons.....

 

Yes, Eder Jofre was the greatest bantamweight champion of all time, even if Fighting Harada had his number.

 

Who's that on the end of the clip?

 

Here's one of Ruben against the tough former flyweight champ Efren Torres

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8pjtfmw488

 

Believe it's Jofre against Aoki, not sure though (the Japanese fighter looks almost certainly like Aoki though).

 

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