Is This Really Pac's Winning Strategy?

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  1. Tettsuo

    Tettsuo Active Member Full Member

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    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He said outpoint, not outbox. Throwing more can lead to outpointing.

    Aside from that, anyone can be outboxed. Even Mayweather. It's about timing. Now, I don't think Pac has the tools to outbox Floyds shot for shot, but in general, it's not an impossible feat.
     
  3. MrSpeaker89

    MrSpeaker89 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Whatever either camp says they're going to do, take it with a pinch of salt.
     
  4. Kid Cincinnati

    Kid Cincinnati GOOD BOY NATION Full Member

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    "We're going to win every round, I promise." Both Manny and Freddie look really happy and confident about this fight."
     
  5. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    It's the strategy Delahoya used. He jabbed, picked off Floyd's shots with his gloves, then when he got Floyd on the ropes he unloaded.

    Oscar is taller than Manny obviously, but Manny is faster, s paw and more accurate, so Manny can employ this strategy as well. :deal
     
  6. Tettsuo

    Tettsuo Active Member Full Member

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    You do know that De La Hoya lost, right?

    Not to mention the fact that Manny is not the boxer DelaHoya is. Manny is not going to cut off the ring and jab in a way that's going to push Mayweather back the way DeLaHoya was able to. Manny isn't going to pick off Mayweather's shots with his with his gloves and press forward on a bigger and just as fast Mayweather who has the reach and size advantage.

    If Manny can't do what DeLaHoya can do (which he can't), how do you propose he actually gets Mayweather to the ropes?
     
  7. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

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    Freddie is right when mayweather gets on the ropes he never fires back he waits until the fighter finishes
     
  8. yingyang

    yingyang Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Manny will be Manny, They dont have plan B or C. I wouldnt be surprise if Floyd make Manny look amateurish.
     
  9. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, it is the winning strategy? It's exactly what he needs to do. Mayweather is defensive, so he can sometimes not use enough activity. For Pacquiao, he needs to throw a lot of punches and land them, so judges are forced to give Pac the round due to him outpointing Mayweather.

    I'll translate what Roach is saying.

    Get Mayweather against the ropes: cut the ring off, get him where Pac's most dangerous and where Mayweather is most vulnerable, smart
    Make him miss: use lateral movement, foot speed, and foot work, smart
    Land flurries: Mayweather has a harder time defending 6+ fast punches and doesn't counter against this many, smart
    outpoint him: have a high activity level and high work rate to force judges to award Pacquiao the rounds


    THIS IS the winning strategy. There's absolutely no other way to go about this fight than this. Sitting back and boxing Mayweather slows the pace to where Floyd wants it, gets him comfortable, and doesn't give you enough activity to win rounds over Floyd's precision.
     
  10. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Delahoya lost, but he had a lot of success. And I'm reading a lot of "Manny is not..." 's in your post.

    Manny is not the boxer Delahoya is....No. he's not, but in many areas he's better than Delahoya was, especially the Delahoya that fought Floyd :deal

    Manny is not going to cut off the ring and jab in.... why not?

    Manny isn't going to pick off Mayweather's shots with his with his gloves .... again, why not? He has better head movement than Oscar, faster feet, more mobility in his upper body and he is great at picking off shots with his gloves. The commentators make note of it in almost all of his fights. If you think he's going to be easier to hit clean than Oscar was, you really are being biased. :deal
     
  11. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1) Once Floyd tastes Pacquiao's power, he will be more prone to walk back then forward... also, Pacquiao can cut off the ring. Not as great as GGG or someone, but he can. He did it multiple times against Algieri who's 1,000x more fleet-footed.

    2) Mayweather may try to set traps up alongside the ropes for the right hand.

    3) Mayweather also walks straight back towards the ropes if he's hit clean or hurt. This will especially be true since he won't be able to clinch Pacquiao. He also walks back to the ropes when combinations are fired off. He won't defend them (because theres too many, too fast, obviously he knows he isn't superman), so he'll throw up the high guard and walk back to the ropes till the opponent tires, which 9/10 times they do.
     
  12. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    I don't see Floyd laying against the ropes when Pac pushes him against them
     
  13. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Manny did his best work when he had guys pinned on the ropes, than I'd give him a serious chance in this fight with Mayweather.

    But his style of aggression is completely different than someone like Maidana. First off Maidana is a much larger man than Manny so he was able to keep FLoyd on the ropes for longer periods of time. He also has a longer reach than Manny so a lot of those right hand shots were able to land on the back of FLoyd's head for the first few rounds. And lastly, Marcos' aggressive style works most effectively for him when he has guys on the ropes, that's his best area to "operate" on guys.

    Manny's aggression is always the same, it occurs in and around the center of the ring. He lunges in and out, and if you're fast handed enough with good hand to eye coordination, than you can time him accordingly with countershots.

    I don't like his chances in this fight at all. His style is really tailor made for someone like Mayweather, who knows he won't be in a fight with a good portion of it taking place alongside the ropes. The height and reach advantage will only be apparent to people once they're in the ring. At that point, people will see that Manny looks as big as Marquez did inside the ring compared to Floyd (funny enough, both Manny and JMM have identical 5 inch reach disadvantages against Mayweather.)

    If Manny was actually the same size as Mayweather, than I think it would be a much closer fight. But he's not so the point is moot.
     
  14. Tettsuo

    Tettsuo Active Member Full Member

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    He's not going to jab Mayweather back to the ropes like DelaHoya because his reach is just not going to be enough to get to Mayweather before Mayweather tags him with his own jab or counters Pac's jab. In fact, Pac's jab is weak as ****.

    He's not going to pic May's shots because he's not skilled enough to do that against Mayweather. Sorry, he's not. Pac has no head movement. Sure, he moves his head when his body moves, but that's about it. He's not elusive, he's not going to be slipping Mayweather's jab because Mayweather's not going to give him position to do so.

    Pac's movements couldn't do anything against Marquez. Of course, Mayweather is not Marquez... he's better.

    How about this... show me a fight where Pac consistently cut off the ring, jab a fighter into the ropes and picked off shots with his gloves. Maybe I'm just ignorant. Show me fight where Pac did anything you're saying he's able to do.
     
  15. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Manny doesn't use his body or size to push people against the ropes, he uses his combinations and power to back them up into them. He fights at a distance. He couldn't even use his size if wanted to nor has he ever.