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Is this really the problem with Calzaghe and Mayweather?

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Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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HOYA-UK said: ↑

No doubt about it. For most of his career Calzaghe was an obscure belt holder, somewhere in Wales, who really hated flying and had zero personality, so the media, the fight makers, the TV networks - no one gave a **** about him. Only after Lacy and Kessler and then Hopkins, did Calzaghe become a "somebody", but the problem is that by this time he was 36 years old and craving retirement after two decades in the game, and ten as a champion.

Floyd was a name, an American, a recognized P4P fighter, who could have cleaned out any number of divisions, instead he choose to hop from one to the other, picking off the guys he thought he could.

I'm no Calzaghe fan, in fact I've gone into great detail in many threads why I dislike him, and think large parts of his career were a total sham, but at the end of the day, he did clean out, an albeit weak, division, and that lack of depth at 168 is one of the reasons why his resume is medicore for the calibre of fight his fans claim him to be.
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This all true but I would like to add that B-hop basically was in obscurity until he was 36 but look at him now. I guess he maybe just has more desire for glory?

Jeff M, Mar 11, 2009

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LightningJoe said: ↑

Pavlik lost to B-Hop (who Joe had just beaten) and was dominated in embarrassing fashion. Pavlik's handlers said he had "no business above 160" after the fight. Joe was fighting at light-heavyweight and surely any Pavlik fight would have been made at 168. This would probably have been very bad for Joe, to get down to this weight after moving up at age 36.

I don't think that Pavlik was an option.

B-Hop rematch would be boring, as Hopkins only hope against Joe is to spoil and disrupt Joe to steal rounds.

The only realistic fight would have been Dawson. I think that Calzaghe would beat Chad, but probably would have showed his age. This would only be a 'money' fight if it was held in Wales.

I don't think Calzaghe has the hunger anymore, to get into training and punishing his body and frail hands anymore.
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Bull**** Calzaghe knows if he fought Nard again he'd get his ass knocked OUT not just down

C.J.Rock, Mar 11, 2009

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PBF actually has a good resume, wins over Hernandez, Corrales, Castillo, Hatton and DLH at 154 shouldn't be dismissed, Slappy on the other hand hid behind Warren and the unregonised WBOGUS title for 10 yrs, no comparison IMO.
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Absolutely no comparison at all.

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C.J.Rock said: ↑

Bull**** Calzaghe knows if he fought Nard again he'd get his ass knocked OUT not just down
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You're just being dumb and not adding anything to the discussion. Tell how this would happen if they fought again rather than just making some random comment without a basis?

Jeff M, Mar 11, 2009

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I really don't see Floyd's resume being much better than Calzaghe. Hatton is overrated and so is ODLH who was well past it when he an Floyd fought. Not saying Floyd is not better but he never fought anyone near the level of Hopkins. Both of their resumes are lacking.

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big houses, cars, hot bitches.. fame and way to much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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I don't think that's related to having the "0" and being afraid to lose it!

Jeff M, Mar 11, 2009

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Both of their careers are as equally padded but Joe fought the TOUGHER comp in Kessler and Hopkins IMO

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Calzaghe is not in Floyd's league.

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Imperial1 said: ↑

Both of their careers are as equally padded but Joe fought the TOUGHER comp in Kessler and Hopkins IMO
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lol

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Did both retire without taking up the toughest challenges because they just would not be able to deal with losing? Both always seemed obsessed with their "0". They both seem to believe they are great but is this just the illusion in their minds created around being able to say they are undefeated?

Now I realize some people would say this is the case no matter who they fought just because they were undefeated. This is not the issue with me. I just find it odd a fighter would really want to be great then retire just when they were on the verge of doing so.

Calzaghe could have fought Pavlik instead of a twice-knocked-out and severely faded RJJ. Look at what B-hop's win over Pavlik did for his allready great legacy. He will not fight Hopkins again although true champions usually fight rematches after a very close fight. He said he does not do rematches yet he has already done so. Sometimes I wonder if Enzo had to push him into the ring for the Lacy and Kessler fights. At least he did fight them and they were both percieved as very dangerous at the time he fought them.

If Floyd would have fought just one elite WW I think many would have a more favorable opinion of him. I believe Floyd would break-down mentally, more than Calzaghe if he were to lose. We read his unrealistic claims of how much money he made in one year as soon as reports come out that he owes (what would be to him) a measily 7 million or so to the IRS. It seems he is always over-compensating for something. Is this his fragile ego speaking in the back of his mind?

Am I just being selfish because I want them to fight again or is this a realistic claim that they think their legacy's are greater than they really are? I really believe only just maybe two more fights or even just one great challenge and they would perhaps be elevated to the status they already think they have. Do you think it all goes back to the obsession of their "0" or would it not matter who they fought if they went undefeated?
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Calzaghe retired because he know he lost to B-Hop and did did not want to risk a rematch or fight Dawson (which would have done him good), Mayweather retired because he know he could not duck the entire Welterweight division for long and would have to fight some eventually. I believe Mayweather will return a) at Light Welterweight where he is WBC Emirtus belt holder or b) when all the chalangers at Welterweight leave or give Floyd a good reason not to fight them (i.e. too many losses, no title, not enough of a draw).

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Calzaghe and floyd were the best and were undefeated and they like any boxer thought they were unbeatable. THATS WHY THEY RETIRED! truth is, people wanna see them lose to prove them wrong which is rly sad.

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Fighters don't retire because they think they're unbeatable, they fight the best opponents out there. They retire because they feel they have nothing left to prove and/or accomplished everything they wanted to or they just don't love fighting like they used to.

SgrRyLeonard, Mar 12, 2009

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SgrRyLeonard said: ↑

Fighters don't retire because they think they're unbeatable, they fight the best opponents out there. They retire because they feel they have nothing left to prove and/or accomplished everything they wanted to or they just don't love fighting like they used to.
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In that case they must not love fighting anymore...lol..it cannot be the first reason:smoke

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Imperial1 said: ↑

Both of their careers are as equally padded but Joe fought the TOUGHER comp in Kessler and Hopkins IMO
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:roflBS first of all Kessler is unproven, and many feel he lost to a 43 yr old.

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