Is this what P4P means to some people? If it is.. that's moronic.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Povetkin, May 27, 2013.


  1. Povetkin

    Povetkin Guest

    I heard some ****** moron say P4P= If the fighters were the same size and weight.. who will win in a mythical fight.

    He than went on to say that if Pernell was as big as Ali, Lewis or Wladimir, Pernell will beat them.

    But that's utterly ******ed because you can't just 'super size' Pernell Whitaker to 6'5 240 and expect him to do the same things he did at 5'6 130... that's ****ing absurd and mind bloggingly idotic.

    If Pernell was 6'5 and 240.. he will just be a bigger version of Chris Byrd.. with slightly better defense.. He'll still get dominated and shut out by any of the top 20 Heavyweight ATGS...

    Is this what P4P IS?
     
  2. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    P4P is the best fighter in the world regardless of weight class,so yeah it has to be mythical
     
  3. tennis

    tennis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's bull**** basically

    Every so often u get a RJJ who can actually do it though
     
  4. anj

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    Nah that's ridiculous. That's too much of a difference. Imagining someone like De La Hoya vs Mike McCallum wouldn't be that bad..if you imagine they're the same size, but someone like Finito Lopez vs Muhammad Ali haha.

    Pernell won't be Pernell of reality.
     
  5. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    Yes it's all subjective and based on own person's opinion.

    You have it pretty much spot on. If Roman Gonzales was 126 lbs and 5'7" tall, he'll beat Mickey Garcia. :D
     
  6. Povetkin

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    But what the holy ****? Of course smaller guys will LOOK more skilled.
    I already stated in a thread a whiles back regarding one particular instance in two separate boxing matches..

    Pernell Whitaker vs Oscar De La Hoya.. he did a shoulder roll and slipped a punch.
    Lewis did the same thing against Shannon Briggs in the mid rounds and he countered with a combination dropping Briggs..

    They did the exact same move.. but because Pernell is 135 and 5'6.. it looked much flashier and faster.


    A Wladimir Jab is obviously not going to LOOK as fluid and skilled as a Mayweather Jab.. I mean the smaller you are.. the more fluid and athletic you look. that's basic physics.
     
  7. stebinn

    stebinn Active Member Full Member

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    It´s bull**** and has no merit yes. It´s pretty funny to see posters debating about it 24/7 like it´s some real thing.
     
  8. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you're over simplifying it

    who is the best fighter in the world?

    remember it's mythical and just enjoy debating the pros and cons :good
     
  9. Berliner

    Berliner Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is something most guys here dont understand. A heavyweight never can fight like a Welterweight. And a LHW will never look fast like a welterweight. P4P is a crap list based on american opinions to hype theire own fighters. Look at Broner up there.:patsch
     
  10. Povetkin

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    Exactly.. so p4p is absurd if judged that way. The Bigger Divisions work differently. you rarely see Heavyweights take the punishments of a Gatti-Ward because at that weight class the power is just so much more devastating than the lower weights .. in that a brutal exchange will usually leave one heavyweight hurt and ready to go..

    People talk about Rigo.. what about that Cuban super heavy 6'4 Erislandy Savon? The way a 6'4 Savon moves and counters seem much more skilled and impressive than someone who's 5'4 and have all the advantages of physics working in his favor.
     
  11. Povetkin

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    Exactly.. I think because of the lack of HW Stars in America most boxing fans from this generation have no idea how Heavyweights work.. the power generated at heavyweight is so brutal.. people just don't understand the shocking skill set needed to fight at elite level.

    Look at Lewis-Klitschko.. the punishment both men took would have wiped out today's entire 140 Division.. the entire Division..........
     
  12. Zombieguy

    Zombieguy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I always thought of it as just a Power 10 list of the best fighter regardless of weight class. Criteria from a combination of skill, popularity, legacy, hypothetical head-to-head, latest wins, method of wins, etc.
     
  13. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think its so subjective and usually biased that its not something that should be taken with too much authority

    I dont care for these mythical match ups of some 100 pounds difference and I find the fighter 1 has more power but fighter 2 has more p4p power phrase to be irritating

    but my p4p is based solely on resume and accomplishments thats how i think criteria should work when they arent in the same weight

    now ill rate guys by weightclass by considering who i think might win but even that can be too subjective
     
  14. Hands of Iron

    Hands of Iron #MSE Full Member

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    :deal

    There's also an Ability category for me, but level of opposition has to justify it as well.

    I've never even considered the same size nonsense. When fighters are rated all-time P4P, you're talking about resume predominantly though perceived H2H ability can bump up or down certain fighters.
     
  15. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's all mythical.

    The longer I follow boxing, the less I seem to care about this mythical ranking, much less the mythical rankings of a very biased source (RING).

    It is what it is.