Is Triple G an all time great middleweight?

Wtf are you talking about GGG said he'd fight anyone from 154-68 Lara called him out GGG made excuses about Lara not being a draw only to fight guys who are lesser fighters and are not draws either.

This isn't something made up its a factual statement. I try to go off what actually happened. If I got something wrong I'll correct it but GGG ducked Lara. And based off how guys judge Cotto he's still ducking Lara as he's yet to fight him.

 

Abraham seeked greatness and moved up, let me ask you how many consider of you him a great? Could he have been if he remained a MW?

 

he would have beat every current mw besides ggg.

 

IMO he would have been better served to remain in his natural weight class and he probably would have been a greater fighter, so here goes the entire "seek greatness" notion.

 

Who's ducking who is irrelevant the question is "is GGG an ATG" I can name 20-30 of his contemporaries I.e. Current fighters who have better accomplishments and better resume. And none of them are called ATGs so GGG isn't an ATG.

Fu(king Danny Garcia close fights or not is a skilled fighter with a better resume, has accomplished more, there saying he's fighting Guerrero next if true in 2 WW fights he'll have beaten the same amount of World Champs as GGG in 30+ fights is he an ATG? GTFOH

 

Yep, but he's far smaller than GGG, GGG has the size to go to 168. Abraham is a tiny SMW, and respect to him for havng the ***** to up and enter the super 6 to face Froch, and Direll, then face Ward. He's a true warrior.

 

Maybe, but he'll certainly never be a full-fledged SMW and he'd be fighting naturally bigger guys, I think that we can agree with.

It's a gamble really, he could carve out a legacy at his best possible weight or move up and hope that he doesn't lose effectiveness.

I hope he does both honestly, become the lineal champion, unify the belts and then move up and seek further greatness, then I think that gamble is worth it.

 

Let's compare Golovkin's record as a middleweight with Abraham's. For Golovkin, the results are ongoing whereas Abraham has been fighting at 168 for some time now (so his middleweight days appear over).

RECORD IN MAJOR MIDDLWEIGHT TITLE FIGHTS
Golovkin = 15-0-0-0 (15)
Abraham = 11-0-0-0 (07)

NUMBER OF CONSECUTIVE MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE DEFENSES
Golovkin = 14
Abraham = 10 (Wikipedia falsely says 11)

The second Abraham-Miranda fight was not a title fight, because the fighters both came in over the 160 lbs limit. So that does not count as a successful middleweight title defense for Abraham since the title was not on the line.

See article on boxrec for more -
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Arthur_Abraham_vs._Edison_Miranda_(2nd_meeting)

LENGTH OF MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE REIGN
Golovkin = 5 years, 0 months, 2 weeks (ongoing)
Abraham = 3 years, 7 months, 0 weeks
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Abraham comes up short in all categories as compared with Golovkin here. While anybody 11-0-0-0 in major middleweight title fights certainly deserves their respect, Golovkin appears to clearly have the better middleweight legacy over Abraham.

That could change, though, should Golovkin start to lose middleweight fights. But for now, Golvokin seems further up the MW ATG List than Abraham is.

 

Nope, I think he has the size to be a full fledged smw, he has a big build. I'll agree that someone like Ward is clearly naturally bigger though.

By the time he "unifies", he'll be in his mid 30's+, by then ward would get no credit for beating him.

 

This is an example of sophistry, among other things. Plus it contains multiple inaccuracies which are easily falsifiable. First off, just go Google when Lara tweeted about GGG at first - I will let you do that on your own. Second, K2 did not deny the bout based on draw or anything they said that Lara was a great champ and since he fights in a different division he wasnt on their radar. K2 then went on to say that to make the fight Lara's management should work it out with HBO.

Some posters here on this forum may have said something about draw, but dont conflate that with what K2 does or doesnt do.

Third, by the standards people are saying Cotto ducked GGG you could absolutely not say GGG ducked Lara. As Lara is not in the same division, let alone a mandatory nor does he fight under the same political affiliation.

Personally, I have laid off Cotto since he actually signed to fight Canelo (which was in doubt for a while) and GGG has a unification fight anyhow so at this time Cotto isnt ducking. Taking a drained Geale instead of either his mando or Canelo was a bad look though, he deserved the flak he got for that.

While the number is open to debate, this is an example of a legit argument unlike the previous one. I dont think GGG is anywhere near ATG status myself , though since I frequently point out the flaws in the assertions some folks around here make regarding ducking and such I sometimes get lumped in with that line of thinking. :conf

 

No one was calling Floyd an ATG just for being undefeated at 130...just saying

 

I don't really care how much credit Ward gets but how much would he get if he beat GGG now? Just think about it.

 

Not much anyways, they'd say he was too small, and never beat anyone. He'd just be another abraham.

 

How do you say everyone between 3 divisions is ducking, call out a WW, yet turn down a guy for being 1 division below?

The Cotto situation has never been a duck he took a Tuneup fight vs GGGs best win and is now fighting in a mega fight. Nobody gives a damn about mandatories unless it fits there argument.

Wasn't Guerrero Mayweathers mandatory I'm pretty sure him being a Champ in 2 division and a titlist in 3/4 others is greater than what GGG is currently doing ask people how they feel about that fight.

 

Actually I am pretty consistent with defending mandatories, whether we like it or not belts matter. Guys cant be blamed for wanting to keep belts, if only the ABC bodies were consistent on enforcement

Its all in context. People, including myself will overlook a mandatory if its a legit superfight. Floyd got flack for Guererro because it was PPV, and more importantly because he wasnt fighting Manny.

Context cannot be overlooked if you want to separate truth from fandom hyperbole.