Is Tyson clearly hurt?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by The Kentucky Cobra, Jun 2, 2017.


Is Tyson

Poll closed Jun 2, 2017.
  1. Clearly Lands to Head, Clearly Hurt

    7 vote(s)
    50.0%
  2. Clearly Lands to Head, Not Clearly Hurt

    5 vote(s)
    35.7%
  3. Neither Clear

    2 vote(s)
    14.3%
  1. Jobo1878

    Jobo1878 Active Member Full Member

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    Looks like clean shot to me
     
  2. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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  3. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Uh, I know what gif I asked you about and it wasn't that one. Quit ducking it. Once more.

    What actually prompts Tyson to shuffle? Does he just turn around and back step on a whim or does the guy in the purple trunks do something in this gif? Like..I don't know, completely spin around Tyson, and place his planter foot inside Mike's, preventing him from executing a smooth pivot out of harm's way. Once more, it comes down to details, you guys just can't or DON'T want to see.

    https://streamable.com/btjaa

    The jooking and jiving description is also amusing, Tyson's movement is quite controlled.
     
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  4. The Kentucky Cobra

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    To the shoulder.
     
  5. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    For such a clean punch nobody can seem to agree where it hit.

    Temple
    Behind the Ear
    Jaw
    Glancing Jaw
    Shoulder first than jaw
    Temple than Shoulder
    ...etc.

    This punch is like the bullet that killed JFK. Maybe it just isn't a clear score and Tyson's lack of reaction as he ducks his head before the punch is even launched doesn't help.

    And the "clearly hurt" side absolutely refuse to acknowledge the position of Evander's feet when Tyson has to skip back..or Evander's surprise spin move in general that left Tyson out of position to counter and vulnerable. Looking for subjective things like "Far away stares" and completely overlooking both men's positioning and the way Evander sets his feet.
     
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  6. The Kentucky Cobra

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    00.24 Is what Evander tried to do Tyson


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  7. Sangria

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    Dude, looks like Holy headbutted Tyson if we're being honest...
     
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  8. rski

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    I don't think the sequence invalidates your opinion that Tyson likes to get the last shot in, but your unwillingness to see Tyson was hurt or at least surprised by the right hand bolsters your theory that Tyson was in control, which I and others don't believe he entirely was, and this was very early in the fight....

    Tyson's reaction doesn't look like he was surprised by a spin to me. There is no way a spin would have that effect on him. If that's all it was and he was unhurt he had time to land a quick inside hook to the body, maybe even an uppercut, he could have responded more aggressively by not letting this perceived shot old guy push him around.

    He didn't do this because he was caught and unsure, its a very quick moment and I cant believe we have debated this long about it. I close my eyes and see that damned sequence (Tyson's still hurt btw:loel:).

    Czyz was a complete tool, I cant put any worth on what that guy says. The sky commentary with Reg Gutteridge on the other hand was much more competent, this is a guy that was commentating on Ali fights, been around for four decades previously. now out of Him and Czyz I know whos opinion I gain more value from. Reg noticed the right hand straight away. you should really check out the sky commentary, it is not biased in any way, they give Mike no excuses either.

    yeah got me there, I did say Tyson didn't have the same bravado when getting hit the way he did against Ruddock but I will say Razor was pounding his face at one point, I swear he bent Tyson's neck in half but his response was "hit me again". I didn't think he was that robust against Holyfield personally.

    I dunno about that. To me his face said something, you could read into it what you want I guess but to me he was saying "you tough sob, I cant hurt you". Maybe we should do a poll, see what people think :loel:
     
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  9. The Kentucky Cobra

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    He was in control enough to avoid Evander's foot and step out of harms way to reset his guard. Evander as a result can't take advantage of him being on the ropes and keeps his distance until Tyson misses that right hand.


    It's not much of an effect. Tyson attempts to pivot with Evander and finds his foot is the way. Evander attempts to measure him so he slips his head and ducks back.


    Tyson is in poor position to throw anything and can't move into position without tripping over Evander's foot, not to mention Evander already has the drop on him and looking to measure. He did the smart thing by stepping back and resetting.


    In both instances, Tyson felt a punch but was showing bravado. That's about it.


    Hardly the first time Tyson failed to put a dent into someone. And the "bully" story is embedded into the fight, true or not.
     
  10. KuRuPT

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    So Cobra, have you finally accepted that the blow did land on Tyson, and not his glove mind you, it hit him in the chin/neck area? Seems almost unanimous that the blow did land, and many think it hurt Tyson (of that I'm not sure), but you're the only one who thinks the blow hit nothing but shoulder and glove.
     
  11. The Kentucky Cobra

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    Chin and the Neck? That's new.

    Some clean punch. It hit behind the ear, hit the jaw, hit the temple, the neck, the chin...it might as well have been a one punch combo.

    I maintain it was a chopping smothered punch that made contact between Tyson's head and arm, and projected into Mike's glove. The problem is Tyson was already ducking his head and raising his glove before Evander got the punch off. It almost looked like Evander realized there was no room and tried his best to alter it.

    If Mike was hurt, there is no visual reaction for us the observer to clue in on. Mike later reacts to a spin move and pivot foot cross up that people seem to read into being a "hurt reaction."

    Accusations of an agenda bias don't seem to ring true, as I believe Mike was hurt in the first round..because in that sequence I see the punches land and Mike react to them. In this sequence, I see a smothered punch not land very well and no reaction from Mike to the blow itself. Mike reacts to an unorthodox maneuver from Evander a few seconds later.
     
  12. Legend X

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    While I disagree with your positive assertion that the punch did NOT clearly hurt Tyson (.. and did not even land), your correct in pointing out the ridiculous variance of opinion on where the punch landed.
    I don't know. Looks to me like it hit behind the ear or something but I can't say I see that clearly.

    Yes, Tyson's feet were all messed up by Holyfield's movement. That's the clash of styles, Holyfield was the superior footwork boxer and off-set Tyson often. But Tyson seemed actually dazed and flinched and went back. Tyson wasn't the type of fighter to back up unless he was hurt, even when he got his feet muddled a bit.
     
  13. Legend X

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    Looks like it could have been that too, yeah.
     
  14. The Kentucky Cobra

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    Their heads clash on just about every entanglement. So I wouldn't rule that out.
     
  15. Legend X

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    But couldn't that possibly have hurt him too ?