Is UFC not brutal enough...do wrestlers have an unfair advantage?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by hopkinsfan07, Apr 2, 2010.


  1. hopkinsfan07

    hopkinsfan07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bring in head kicks to a downed fighter!!! Wrestlers like Tito or Hughes have no risk when shooting for a takedown against a mostly stand up guy. In pride if you missed a takedown someone like Rua or Silva would smash yo in the head with a kick.

    Im not saying bring back stomps (although i wouldnt mind) As some find them to violent.

    I think the rules should be a tad more balenced.

    Woaa and that thread about not letting people punch from the mount :patsch
    I thought that was a joke post mocking the first lad :lol:. When did people become such wimps. I say bring back the violence of Pride.
     
  2. horst

    horst Guest

    Weird that a B-Hop is so passionate about real MMA. Are you aware that Hop thinks MMA is "gay porn"?
     
  3. hopkinsfan07

    hopkinsfan07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol: I cant agree with everything he says of course.
     
  4. Grievesy

    Grievesy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't say I care either way. As far as I'm aware, no one in Pride was ever seriously hurt from them. The ref is there for a reason. So I don't see why they can't be brought back in, other than for the fact that the mainstream public may not like it and it may alienate the sport, which is the last thing it needs.
     
  5. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bring in headbutts and knees on the ground, and vertical elbows, and don't stand fights up or break up clinches...if anything the curent rules are slanted against the dominant wrestler. Just imagine Brock Lesnar with headbutts allowed.
     
  6. AmericanSugar

    AmericanSugar Active Member Full Member

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    i agree bring back head kicks.
     
  7. PH|LLA

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    I'm not really a connaisseur in MMA and I was wondering why GSP was not unloading his knee to the head against Dan Hardy when he had a clear opening. Of course I figured its cause there's a rule against it but I was kind of disappointed cause the opening was definately there.
     
  8. hopkinsfan07

    hopkinsfan07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And how are they anyharder than a standing knee that you push tere head onto if in a muay thai clinch.

    Unified rules are stupid, like the no verticle elbow rule...there no more damaging than any other elbow, there just better at getting through the guard.
     
  9. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Shoot for the takedown and you can get punched or kneed in the face.

    Kicks on the ground are too dangerous. I think upkicks to a posture opponent (Vera vs Jones) should be allowed.
     
  10. Wilhelm

    Wilhelm Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, the rules against no upkicks when your opponent is in your guard and no downward elbows are clearly dumb as they aren't any harder than other techniques that are perfectly legal. Knees to the ground I think are the same except for the fact that from side control the part of the head that your knee has the most access to is the temple rather than the front which could be much more dangerous.

    I also think headbuts should be allowed. It would make top control a lot more interesting, not to mention the clinch. I doubt that will ever happen though. When boxing guys think headbuts they think "the fight ends on a lame cut" and since state athletic commissions are so heavily influenced by boxing guys I don't think that's going to change. Not for a while at least.
     
  11. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Anderson, GSP, Aldo, Machida and Fedor say.....NO! BJ has wrestling experience so I didn't include him.

    UNFAIR advantage? :lol: Come on man, it's not like a "secret" art
     
  12. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I agree, I think knees on the ground would give wrestlers even more of an advantage. Igor v Coleman in the OW Grand Prix comes to mind. But would like to see a senseable amendment to a few of the rules regarding knees and elbows on the ground
     
  13. dahoe

    dahoe Member Full Member

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    knees on the ground rule. just check out wandys or shoguns old fights in Pride.
     
  14. tri-pod

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    :rofl You want the mount to be severely cut out of the game but you want head kicks to a downed fighter back?
     
  15. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    :good Let alone the gloves that make it harder to grapple with... and protect the strikers hands... so they he can punch harder... and more often.

    Realistically... Kicks to a downed opponent don't have much effect at all on stopping a takedown attempt. That would have to be a pretty horrible takedown shot to get kicked in the head while you are down... somehow before you have reached your opponent. Kicking at them only helps them take you down easier. Knees on a shooting wrestlers usually don't work either. I have seen it work on occasion (on very sloppy shots)... but not very often. Besides that... it will only be effective as the wrestler is lowering his level to shoot... he wouldn't be on his knees yet anyways... so they can already knee him at that point. Allowing knees to a downed opponent helps the dominant wrestler much more than it helps a standing striker.