I understand that view. Really, I just wish boxing could use the MMA gloves and THEN there would be some truly explosive fights. Imagine Winky Wright or Floyd Mayweather trying to fight with those 4oz gloves. THEN boxing would truly meet it's full excitement potential. A defensive genius would TRULY have to be a genius because it wouldn't take 150 god damned punches to KO him.
with the 4 oz gloves even a pillow puncher like winky wright could be the next mike tyson with a 20 ko first round string haha. Remember back in the old ufc days when they used to have mis matches? haha those were the days. Tank Abbott used to wreck a lot of people
I'd like to see someone like Hopkins fight Randy Coture and lets see if Hopkins can throw Randy around like a rag doll ..I think just like with boxing it depends on the fighter ..Boxers have a natural instinct to block since they go through so many defensive drills while in sparring or in training ..So for a boxer to be able to block a few kicks is no surprise but lets see what happens if they face someone with a good ground and pound game and lets see if your approach will apply under those circustances ..
In a boxing match Hopkins would most likely beat Coture. Under MMA rules Hopkins would most likely go to the hospital (he admitted this himself in some interview). I don't really think there is any denying that.
You pretty much get where I'm coming from here. Crosstrainer is one of the guys around here whose knowledge of boxing - and indeed of the whole gamut of fighting systems - I respect the most. But I think he's a little too much into the intracacies and details of these fighting systems to appreciate that the perspective of ordinary, non-specialist, boxing fans. Would it be possible for me gain greater knowledge of wrestling techniques and the like? Sure. But even with greater understanding, there is no guarantee that I would find it any more interesting than I do now. Like you say, I don't think it translates well into a visual mediuum, which is why they do all that hype. I think even Crosstrainer would admit that they put that stuff in to attract the kids who don't understand the details as he does - and probably never will. All of this said, I am not as closed minded as I appear. Some of that is simply to counter the "UFC is better than boxing" crowd, for no matter what knowledge I might gain, no one will convince me that UFC is more entertaining than boxing. I just don't see it.
Honestly, anyone who thinks Hopkins beats Couture in a streetfight because of his "streetfighting experience" deserves to be aborted. Seriously, Couture is one of the PREMIER MMAers in the entire world. Maybe Bhop has something on some BJJ Blue belt, but Randy Couture? He'd probably lose to the blue belt for God's sakes.
You obviously don't understand the differences between boxing and fighting. Seriously, how well does Bhop or PBF hold up with their backs on the ground?
Moran Lt heavy in the UFC is from 185 to 205 lbs !! Hopkins is more than willing t move up in weight because as I recall he was trying to land a fight with Maskaev before he got his chance at Winky so here sip on this tall glass of shut the **** up ! The last KO Hopkins had was against Oscar 3 yrs ago before that Carl Daniels in 02 !! I love how all of a sudden you make Hopkins into this power punching KO artist ..Wtf are you watching I think I have watched more boxing on my dvr in 1 week than you in your whole life !! I think you need to check your history young man and go back to the sandlot ! I think its obvious who knows what on an invidulal sport and its clearly not You !:good
*sigh* You are wrong. I do know the answer to that. I can say, without a doubt, that since Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather have no training in groundfighting that they would be massacred on the ground. It may look like dumb rolling around to you, and it may seem impossible that one guy be "skilled" at this rolling around when you can't make out anything that is happening. But I can tell you with the same certainty that I can tell you I would lose a boxing match to Bernard Hopkins that Bernard Hopkins would lose a ground fight with Randy Couture. Now you are probably thinking that Hopkins would just beat Couture on his feet before the fight ever went to the ground, but that is also not the case. There is another skillset involved in MMA that Bernard Hopkins does not have, and that is defending the takedown. Hell, Antwon Echols was able to take down Hopkins. It takes a certain defensive skillset to avoid a takedown. All Couture has to do is get close enough to clinch, or shoot for his legs, and Bhop is down. When Bhop is down the fight is over. Look at the countless videos online of an expert martial artist with no groundfighting experience fighting a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu expert. It is absolutely no contest. MIKE TYSON in his PRIME could lose to Randy Couture, because if he WASNT able to land that KO shot before Couture got on the inside, the fight is over. Bhop has a much smaller chance of landing that KO shot, therefore he loses in a streetfight. Look, I love boxing as a sport. But comparing it to MMA on the grounds of which is PRACTICALLY better for a streetfight scenario is a losing argument anywhere where common sense is taken into account.
If you like more MMA than boxing, then that's ok, but I don't really give a **** about UFC, and if UFC is taking over I don't care. We don't care here about whether UFC is taking over or not. This is a boxing site, so get the **** out of here.
the thing about mma is that it seems to have a ready made fan base. all the geeks and hicks who used to love wwf and fake wrestling have come over to support it. as have kickboxing fans, people that like wrestling, jujitsu, tae kwon do and other martial arts. even alot of boxing fans. so its appealing to anyone who followed the other fight sports- its combined them all. so thats why the fan base is soo large. all the guys at my gym who used to go to do karate training have dropped it for the mms session later in the day. thats pretty much whats happening with mma in general. i dont know if it will overtake boxing in terms of reputation and skill and quality- boxing has such a rich history- but it is catching up. think of it without emotion or bias guys- i mean mma is such a young sport and already its everywhere- its marketed bloody brilliantly, all the fighters fight under the same banner- and promotions- so theres no problems in matchups- the best fighters fight the best. all the problems that have plagued boxing have been changed in mma. and boxing sadly hasnt learned from boxing. and is as corrupt and damaged as ever- with the power of many in the hands of a few bickering old men. I love boxing- i think its the most graceful of sports- and most skillful- and beautifl 2 watch. i hate mma and watching groundfighting. but it s winning. The best thing for boxing would be for it to end and start again all anew-with a league and one commission that managed all fighters - like the PGA tour of the TENNIS APT tour. protecting players, athletes and so on- with only one organisation, tournaments and legitimate rankings. until boxing learns and changes- its gonna continue to die a slow painful death. i mean seriously- this is one of the worlds premier boxing web sites- and what - it has 200 maybe 300 people on it at a time? thats pathetic. FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD- 300 people are interested enough in boxing to go on a forum!!!! meanwhile hundred s of thousands are packing into mma forums as we speak. dont believe me- see for urself. we my friends are a dying breed. we need changes.
